#9 | Gabriel Jesus - 2020/21 Performances

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>> Again, I understand your point, but it really does nothing to dismiss the idea that Jesus isn't good enough.
So... it's your opinion that Jesus is good enough to be a first choice striker in a top, top side hoping to win the Champion's League? If that's your opinion I strongly disagree.

Jesus is a good backup striker - in that role, if he accepts it - I hope he stays at City.

If somehow we end up with Jesus as our #1 choice at striker - we've screwed up in the upcoming summer transer window big time.
 
For me the biggest disappointment of his game is that he rarely busts a gut to move quickly into the box when we have wingers who whizz a ball across the penalty area and no-one is there.Thats one of Sergios greatest attributes that he instantly knows where to be in that area.
I don`t see him as a permanent replacement as a striker but the lad does put a shift in,but thats something Pep demands ... unless you`re FFS. ;)
 
oakiecokie said:
For me the biggest disappointment of his game is that he rarely busts a gut to move quickly into the box when we have wingers who whizz a ball across the penalty area and no-one is there.Thats one of Sergios greatest attributes that he instantly knows where to be in that area.
I don`t see him as a permanent replacement as a striker but the lad does put a shift in,but thats something Pep demands ... unless you`re FFS. ;)
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Agreed - I like Jesus and his effort/enthusiasm/team play.

For me though, he's simply not a clinical striker; he doesn't put enough chances away.

As a backup striker he's great; we need much better for our first choice.
 
BlueMoonFromAcrossThePond said:
Agreed - I like Jesus and his effort/enthusiasm/team play.

For me though, he's simply not a clinical striker; he doesn't put enough chances away.

As a backup striker he's great; we need much better for our first choice.
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Why do we need anything right now? What's wrong with what we have? Barring maybe more depth this current setup seems to be working extremely well atm.
 
mccity said:
Why do we need anything right now? What's wrong with what we have? Barring maybe more depth this current setup seems to be working extremely well atm.
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Because we could be much, much better.

Football is an arms race - current best sitting on your laurels - is tomorrow's second best.
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This aside, we aspire to win the Champion's League. This competition is extremely hard to win. Past the group stage, it's just two games against an opponent up until the finals. Bad luck or not quite good enough and you're out. And the final - a one-off - to enhance likelihood of victory - you want to be not only a bit better than your opponent - but far, far better.
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Again - Jesus is good - and a very good backup striker. But we can do far, far better and have the chance to do so next window.
 
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mosssideblue said:
Yes, really. The truly fantastic one as you say, shows he isn't a poor finisher I. E. he has great skills wrt finishing.
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One goal.. One.. Is that really the whole evidence you have for your case? I can show you dozens of easy chances he missed.

Don't think this discussion is really leading anywhere.
 
oakiecokie said:
For me the biggest disappointment of his game is that he rarely busts a gut to move quickly into the box when we have wingers who whizz a ball across the penalty area and no-one is there.Thats one of Sergios greatest attributes that he instantly knows where to be in that area.
I don`t see him as a permanent replacement as a striker but the lad does put a shift in,but thats something Pep demands ... unless you`re FFS. ;)
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So if a striker is not a great finisher, but also doesn't have the great movement that makes him be in the right place at the right time for easy tap-ins, why is it so outrageous to say they are not a very good striker?
 
BlueMoonFromAcrossThePond said:
Because we could be much, much better.
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We've just won 16 in a row, including winning away at Arsenal, Chelsea, United, Liverpool, and at home to Tottenham by an aggregate scoreline of 17-3. Maybe we can be better but acting like we can be 'much, much better' reeks of being spoilt and unrealistic with your ambitions. Maybe give the current crop a bit more credit?
 
mccity said:
We've just won 16 in a row, including winning away at Arsenal, Chelsea, United, Liverpool, and at home to Tottenham by an aggregate scoreline of 17-3. Maybe we can be better but acting like we can be 'much, much better' reeks of being spoilt and unrealistic with your ambitions. Maybe give the current crop a bit more credit?
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Pretty sure with Haaland and Messi - we'd be much better.
 
bluesclues123 said:
One goal.. One.. Is that really the whole evidence you have for your case? I can show you dozens of easy chances he missed.

Don't think this discussion is really leading anywhere.
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He has scored enough well taken goals to show that he's got something there in him to be a good finisher. His goals against Madrid. His recent goals against Swansea and Cheltenham. His goal earlier in the season against Liverpool. His Aguero-esque goal in the Champions League. His goals against Everton last year. His great goal against Burnley. The goal against Newcastle last season. His great goal against Bournemouth. His winner against Leicester last year. His extremely smart opener against West Ham last year. The goal that got us 100 points. That outside the box chip he scored in the CL two seasons ago. I'm sure there are more.

It's obvious he needs to improve but at the same time there's clearly a top finisher in there somewhere.
bluesclues123 said:
So if a striker is not a great finisher, but also doesn't have the great movement that makes him be in the right place at the right time for easy tap-ins, why is it so outrageous to say they are not a very good striker?
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At what point are you going to realise he's just following instructions? Before this season he was always getting into the box (hence all the offsides) and constantly on the end of chances. This season he hangs back so that runners (Gundogan, De Bruyne/Bernardo, Foden, and Sterling) get into the box and are harder to mark.
 
bluesclues123 said:
So if a striker is not a great finisher, but also doesn't have the great movement that makes him be in the right place at the right time for easy tap-ins, why is it so outrageous to say they are not a very good striker?
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Because he does other things very well, different kinds of strikers for different teams and coaches. His goalscoring is still pretty good, as good as Aguero obviously not. He can still improve other parts of his game he should be 3 years off his peak.
You don't play the games he's played for Guardiola if you aren't any good. there have been lots of centre forwards that have enabled teams to be high scorers without being particularly prolific. Most recently Firminho is the obvious one, and Jesus is better than him.
 
mccity said:
Maybe so, but you can't say that with absolute certainty that we'd go on a 16 match winning streak with either in the team.

You're reeking of entitlement. I admire your ambition but you're 100% taking this City team for granted and it's a shame.
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>> You're reeking of entitlement.

>> you're 100% taking this City team for granted and it's a shame.

I fail to see how you draw these conclusions. I think that we're the best side in world football at the moment. At the same time, we're likely to lose Kun next window, and even if not, we're soft at striker. Meanwhile, Haaland is available.

In world football, the surest recipe for failure is not investing in the club - we're good enough... so why spend? - so you mis-think.

We have a legitimate chance of signing Haaland - who may well be the world's best footballer of his generation - and to secure Messi for a few years - IMO the current world's best footballer.

And somehow, you're satisfied with the status quo - let Haaland go to a rival - let Messi go to a rival. No big deal. We're uber! - not at all so. It's a fucking big deal were we to lose Haaland and to a lesser extent Messi.
 
mccity said:
Maybe so, but you can't say that with absolute certainty that we'd go on a 16 match winning streak with either in the team.

You're reeking of entitlement. I admire your ambition but you're 100% taking this City team for granted and it's a shame.
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Its not fantasy football. Gabby brings a great deal to the team. He is one of the best young forward players in the world. I posted the other day that I had not seen a city side play in as controlled a manner as the one we have just now. The team is without Aguero, De Bruyne, Fern, Walker, nevermind bloody Haaland, and is good as I have seen playing for us.
 
BlueMoonFromAcrossThePond said:
>> You're reeking of entitlement.

>> you're 100% taking this City team for granted and it's a shame.

I fail to see how you draw these conclusions. I think that we're the best side in world football at the moment. At the same time, we're likely to lose Kun next window, and even if not, we're soft at striker. Meanwhile, Haaland is available.

In world football, the surest recipe for failure is not investing in the club - we're good enough... so why spend? - so you mis-think.

We have a legitimate chance of signing Haaland - who may well be the world's best footballer of his generation - and to secure Messi for a few years - IMO the current world's best footballer.

And somehow, you're satisfied with the status quo - let Haaland go to a rival - let Messi go to a rival. No big deal. We're uber! - not at all so. It's a fucking big deal were we to lose Haaland and to a lesser extent Messi.
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Yeah signing Haaland would be great. Same with Messi. Having both or either would definitely improve us.

But your initial argument was that we can't challenge in the CL if we have Jesus up front. And I argue that that's not true. And I don't believe you're paying this team enough respect if you think otherwise.
 
mccity said:
Yeah signing Haaland would be great. Same with Messi. Having both or either would definitely improve us.

But your initial argument was that we can't challenge in the CL if we have Jesus up front. And I argue that that's not true. And I don't believe your paying this team enough respect if you think otherwise.
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>> But your initial argument was that we can't challenge in the CL if we have Jesus up front.
Huh? I never said that.

Hell, fucking Fulham could challenge for the C/L... it's just that they're very unlikely to succeed. But in a Cheaslea-style miracle, they might win.

What's certain though - and which I've been arguing for from the start - is that we'd be a hell of a lot better off with Haaland or someone of his ilk as our main striker - and that if we need to settle for Jesus - we're a much lesser side.
 
BlueMoonFromAcrossThePond said:
>> But your initial argument was that we can't challenge in the CL if we have Jesus up front.
Huh? I never said that.
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BlueMoonFromAcrossThePond said:
Jesus is obviously a net plus to our side. He's very gifted and frequently contributes towards our success.

He is not, however, anywhere close to being a first choice striker in a top club wishing to challenge for the Champion's League.
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I mean this is where the debate started. You can talk about how we need this and we need that, but my first reply to you was based on your suggestion that he's not close to being a first choice striker with Champions League ambitions.

BlueMoonFromAcrossThePond said:
What's certain though - and which I've been arguing for from the start - is that we'd be a hell of a lot better off with Haaland or someone of his ilk as our main striker - and that if we need to settle for Jesus - we're a much lesser side.
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And the rest of your post is just so disrespectful, not only to Jesus, but the whole team too when you suggest we're a MUCH lesser side with him in it. Maybe he can be improved upon but to act like this team has a million more levels that magically appear by replacing Jesus is ridiculous. You're entitled to your opinion, but man it's like you're a United fan the way you're disrespecting this current team.
 
mccity said:
I mean this is where the debate started. You can talk about how we need this and we need that, but my first reply to you was based on your suggestion that he's not close to being a first choice striker with Champions League ambitions.




And the rest of your post is just so disrespectful, not only to Jesus, but the whole team too when you suggest we're a MUCH lesser side with him in it. Maybe he can be improved upon but to act like this team has a million more levels that magically appear by replacing Jesus is ridiculous. You're entitled to your opinion, but man it's like you're a United fan the way you're disrespecting this current team.
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>> And the rest of your post is just so disrespectful, not only to Jesus, but the whole team too
I agree. I'm disrespectful to Jesus and the whole team.

>> you're a United fan
And I'm a United fan to boot. You've found me out. Good job!
 
I've got my eye on this little.fucker and he's been getting better by the game. He has all the tools and shouldn't be written off yet, his pressing is high class and he always wants the ball. I can see a decent scoring spree ahead, I'll start backing him for a hat trick over the next 4 or 5 games he starts
 
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