9 wins and a draw

[jay_mcfc]

Is it my imagination or are the majority of those who get on the high horses as soon as anyone dares to question the manager, posters who previously gave Mark Hughes dog's abuse on here? Hugely ironic imo.

Not really. One is a fantastic manager who has won trophies everywhere he's been, the other is, well, Mark Hughes. If you can't see the difference between the abilities of Hughes and the abilities of Mancini then good luck to you.


Apart from that, shit thread.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

What doubts do you have about him? You are entitled to your opinion of course, i'm just interested in the reasons why you doubt him still

There are three things that he needs to do.

1) He's got to win us the league.

2) The biggest question mark is over his record in Europe, never getting further than the CL Quarter Final. Once we start getting to the CL semis and even the final then that's the biggest doubt removed.

3) The final thing that would remove any possible shred of doubt over his abilities is when he does what Baconface has done and completely re-jig his team, using relatively low cost and home-grown youngsters to augment the established stars, and win the league and CL again. Like it or not, that's the ultimate benchmark.

Once he's done that then he's untouchable. No one should get too het-up about the odd tactical mistake or bad day at the office. They're not important in the overall scheme of things.

So while we may be happy with where we are now, these are the objectives he surely has to achieve to be immune from criticism or doubt.

 

[The Future's Blue]

What doubts do you have about him? You are entitled to your opinion of course, i'm just interested in the reasons why you doubt him still

There are three things that he needs to do.

1) He's got to win us the league.

2) The biggest question mark is over his record in Europe, never getting further than the CL Quarter Final. Once we start getting to the CL semis and even the final then that's the biggest doubt removed.

3) The final thing that would remove any possible shred of doubt over his abilities is when he does what Baconface has done and completely re-jig his team, using relatively low cost and home-grown youngsters to augment the established stars, and win the league and CL again. Like it or not, that's the ultimate benchmark.

Once he's done that then he's untouchable. No one should get too het-up about the odd tactical mistake or bad day at the office. They're not important in the overall scheme of things.

So while we may be happy with where we are now, these are the objectives he surely has to achieve to be immune from criticism or doubt.

I take it that's over a number of seasons?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

What doubts do you have about him? You are entitled to your opinion of course, i'm just interested in the reasons why you doubt him still

There are three things that he needs to do.

1) He's got to win us the league.

2) The biggest question mark is over his record in Europe, never getting further than the CL Quarter Final. Once we start getting to the CL semis and even the final then that's the biggest doubt removed.

3) The final thing that would remove any possible shred of doubt over his abilities is when he does what Baconface has done and completely re-jig his team, using relatively low cost and home-grown youngsters to augment the established stars, and win the league and CL again. Like it or not, that's the ultimate benchmark.

Once he's done that then he's untouchable. No one should get too het-up about the odd tactical mistake or bad day at the office. They're not important in the overall scheme of things.

So while we may be happy with where we are now, these are the objectives he surely has to achieve to be immune from criticism or doubt.

I take it that's over a number of seasons?

The first two I'd say over 3-5 seasons with us winning the league or coming close each season. It will take that timeframe to establish ourselves in the CL.

The third will obviously need much longer, maybe 10 seasons or more.

 

[taconinja]

There are three things that he needs to do.

1) He's got to win us the league.

2) The biggest question mark is over his record in Europe, never getting further than the CL Quarter Final. Once we start getting to the CL semis and even the final then that's the biggest doubt removed.

3) The final thing that would remove any possible shred of doubt over his abilities is when he does what Baconface has done and completely re-jig his team, using relatively low cost and home-grown youngsters to augment the established stars, and win the league and CL again. Like it or not, that's the ultimate benchmark.

Once he's done that then he's untouchable. No one should get too het-up about the odd tactical mistake or bad day at the office. They're not important in the overall scheme of things.

So while we may be happy with where we are now, these are the objectives he surely has to achieve to be immune from criticism or doubt.

I take it that's over a number of seasons?

The first two I'd say over 3-5 seasons with us winning the league or coming close each season. It will take that timeframe to establish ourselves in the CL.

The third will obviously need much longer, maybe 10 seasons or more.

I am left wondering how long it will take to get the coefficient high enough to end up in Pot 2 or Pot 1. Pot 3 seems to generate quite a few headaches in the group stage.

 

[LoveCity]

I am left wondering how long it will take to get the coefficient high enough to end up in Pot 2 or Pot 1. Pot 3 seems to generate quite a few headaches in the group stage.

It does but it shouldn't be as freakishly hard as our group is, we've been handed some vintage Typical City unluckiness this year with a Munich side that looks the best it has in years and years, and a Napoli side primed to become a powerhouse in Italian football if it can hang on to the Three Tenors (Cavani, Lavezzi, Hamsik). And even though they are out of form, Villarreal could come good at any point.

Compare to Spurs' CL draw last year: an Inter in swift decline under the Fat Spanish waiter, a decent but not that good Werder Bremen side, and a Europa League standard FC Twente.

We could have had a draw like Inter, Villarreal, and Genk this season that we would have walked through into the second stage.

 

[Failsworth_Blue]

What doubts do you have about him? You are entitled to your opinion of course, i'm just interested in the reasons why you doubt him still

There are three things that he needs to do.

1) He's got to win us the league.

2) The biggest question mark is over his record in Europe, never getting further than the CL Quarter Final. Once we start getting to the CL semis and even the final then that's the biggest doubt removed.

3) The final thing that would remove any possible shred of doubt over his abilities is when he does what Baconface has done and completely re-jig his team, using relatively low cost and home-grown youngsters to augment the established stars, and win the league and CL again. Like it or not, that's the ultimate benchmark.

Once he's done that then he's untouchable. No one should get too het-up about the odd tactical mistake or bad day at the office. They're not important in the overall scheme of things.

So while we may be happy with where we are now, these are the objectives he surely has to achieve to be immune from criticism or doubt.

Those 3 things obviously take time, when i asked the question i was wondering exactly what do they doubt about him. Do they doubt he's the right man at this present time because of his tactics, because they don't believe he's good enough to win the leauge, because of his man management etc because i fail to believe anyone doesn't think he's doing anything other than a great job at this present time

No one should ever be immune from criticism on a case by case basis because at the end of the day we are all humans and we can't do everything right and that applies to the manager, to the players, to the coaches but the problem we have is when a mistake is made a lot of people tend to over react rather than look at the bigger picture. You only have to look at the thread the other week 'Mancini has had a shocking week'. During that week he made mistake and players made mistakes but it was never in a million years a shocking week

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Re: Re: 9 wins and a draw

I take it that's over a number of seasons?

The first two I'd say over 3-5 seasons with us winning the league or coming close each season. It will take that timeframe to establish ourselves in the CL.

The third will obviously need much longer, maybe 10 seasons or more.

I am left wondering how long it will take to get the coefficient high enough to end up in Pot 2 or Pot 1. Pot 3 seems to generate quite a few headaches in the group stage.

I reckon at least 3 seasons, possibly 5. Hence my timeframe for points 1 & 2. It's measured over 5 years so once we've been in the group stage or better for 5 seasons then we'll be Pot 1 or top of Pot 2. So you could argue that getting us to that point is a tangible objective.

I can't speak for others but I don't judge him on a game-by-game basis. Doesn't mean he won't get criticised short term but real judgement can only take place over a few seasons. This is the first one he can really be judged in my view.

And do far we've let a 2 goal lead slip twice and looked a bit naive in Europe. Apart from that everything looks good. The big test is improving results when away to the top half teams. If we do that then we'll win the league as the rags look vulnerable at the back this season. Almost Keegan-esque in that they're relying on scoring more than they concede. Norwich should have taken at least a point on Saturday.

 

[Deleted member 14625]

What doubts do you have about him? You are entitled to your opinion of course, i'm just interested in the reasons why you doubt him still

There are three things that he needs to do.

1) He's got to win us the league.

2) The biggest question mark is over his record in Europe, never getting further than the CL Quarter Final. Once we start getting to the CL semis and even the final then that's the biggest doubt removed.

3) The final thing that would remove any possible shred of doubt over his abilities is when he does what Baconface has done and completely re-jig his team, using relatively low cost and home-grown youngsters to augment the established stars, and win the league and CL again. Like it or not, that's the ultimate benchmark.

Once he's done that then he's untouchable. No one should get too het-up about the odd tactical mistake or bad day at the office. They're not important in the overall scheme of things.

So while we may be happy with where we are now, these are the objectives he surely has to achieve to be immune from criticism or doubt.

Those 3 things obviously take time, when i asked the question i was wondering exactly what do they doubt about him. Do they doubt he's the right man at this present time because of his tactics, because they don't believe he's good enough to win the leauge, because of his man management etc because i fail to believe anyone doesn't think he's doing anything other than a great job at this present time

No one should ever be immune from criticism on a case by case basis because at the end of the day we are all humans and we can't do everything right and that applies to the manager, to the players, to the coaches but the problem we have is when a mistake is made a lot of people tend to over react rather than look at the bigger picture. You only have to look at the thread the other week 'Mancini has had a shocking week'. During that week he made mistake and players made mistakes but it was never in a million years a shocking week

This is evident the other way round too. When we play well some posters start going on about us winning the CL next year or even this.

 

[Failsworth_Blue]

There are three things that he needs to do.

1) He's got to win us the league.

2) The biggest question mark is over his record in Europe, never getting further than the CL Quarter Final. Once we start getting to the CL semis and even the final then that's the biggest doubt removed.

3) The final thing that would remove any possible shred of doubt over his abilities is when he does what Baconface has done and completely re-jig his team, using relatively low cost and home-grown youngsters to augment the established stars, and win the league and CL again. Like it or not, that's the ultimate benchmark.

Once he's done that then he's untouchable. No one should get too het-up about the odd tactical mistake or bad day at the office. They're not important in the overall scheme of things.

So while we may be happy with where we are now, these are the objectives he surely has to achieve to be immune from criticism or doubt.

Those 3 things obviously take time, when i asked the question i was wondering exactly what do they doubt about him. Do they doubt he's the right man at this present time because of his tactics, because they don't believe he's good enough to win the leauge, because of his man management etc because i fail to believe anyone doesn't think he's doing anything other than a great job at this present time

No one should ever be immune from criticism on a case by case basis because at the end of the day we are all humans and we can't do everything right and that applies to the manager, to the players, to the coaches but the problem we have is when a mistake is made a lot of people tend to over react rather than look at the bigger picture. You only have to look at the thread the other week 'Mancini has had a shocking week'. During that week he made mistake and players made mistakes but it was never in a million years a shocking week

This is evident the other way round too. When we play well some posters start going on about us winning the CL next year or even this.

Absolutely although it is of course to a lesser extent as you can see from the number of posts on this board since Saturday when we won compared to when we fail to win but there is of course more talking points and questions to be asked when we fail to win so it's understandable