A Muslim's Response...

[Deleted member 58619]

Are examples of common statements made in the media at the moment

 

[Rascal]

Right serious question. I'm just trying to understand the situation a bit more. I realise it's a minority and not representative of anything.

But what is the actual aim of Muslim terrorists. Is it to convert the world to Islam? People have rightfully said that terrorist groups are not a Muslim idea and mentioned the likes of ETA and the IRA. I think the aims of those groups were to get separation from Spain and to create an United ireland. So I think I understand their aim regardless of how wrong it obviously is. So basically is the aim of Isis and the like to have a wholly Muslim world?

no its just that they have a rabid hatred of:

cartoonists
shoppers in jewish deli's
people who work in embassies
people who travel on tube trains
people who travel by plane
people who travel on trains
people who work in offices in very tall buildings
tourists
tourists in nightclubs
military types obviously including those walking down the street on leave in the country of their birth
people who go to church in indonesia
indians and more indians
school children
chinese people
people attending churches
and mosques
people running in marathons
people shopping in shopping centres
college students
jews (obviously)
pedestrians
villagers in various countries in africa
etc

so far these are mostly the only sort of people that islamist terrorist extremists murder

they may hate others of course and just haven't gotten around to murdering them yet

these murderers are just misunderstood and still believe in a peace loving prophet and a peace loving god obviously so please don't be too harsh on them

WOW!

 

[stonerblue]

All the usual suspects spouting their usual racist shit again in this thread.

Here we go again with the racism accusations. You do realise it's possible to mock ridiculous religious belief without being racist?

Is that you Perez?

And as if to prove my point...

 

[SWP's back]

All the usual suspects spouting their usual racist shit again in this thread.

Here we go again with the racism accusations. You do realise it's possible to mock ridiculous religious belief without being racist?

Is that you Perez?

And as if to prove my point...

He does have a (very rare for him) point though.

Critiquing and/or mocking a religion is not analogous with racism.

 

[Damocles]

I wonder whether this "real Muslim" (they all claim that title) has written to his fellow, more Islamist brothers? A few thousand protesters on the streets is a problem that pales into utter, utter insignificant when compared to the problem that is Islam.

I'm sick of hearing 'moderate' Muslims lying to us that Islam is a 'religion of peace'. Maybe to them it is, but only because they cherry pick and reject the obvious evil doctrines within.

We can talk and talk and go round in circles after every massacre but when you get down to it, either Islam polices itself or the likes of the US military will do it for you. The former is best for all concerned.

I bet you have loads of Muslim friends

 

[argyle]

Here we go again with the racism accusations. You do realise it's possible to mock ridiculous religious belief without being racist?

Is that you Perez?

And as if to prove my point...

He does have a (very rare for him) point though.

Critiquing and/or mocking a religion is not analogous with racism.

No, but it's borderline when people on here write all terrorists are Muslims.

 

[Silva_Spell]

I wonder whether this "real Muslim" (they all claim that title) has written to his fellow, more Islamist brothers? A few thousand protesters on the streets is a problem that pales into utter, utter insignificant when compared to the problem that is Islam.

I'm sick of hearing 'moderate' Muslims lying to us that Islam is a 'religion of peace'. Maybe to them it is, but only because they cherry pick and reject the obvious evil doctrines within.

We can talk and talk and go round in circles after every massacre but when you get down to it, either Islam polices itself or the likes of the US military will do it for you. The former is best for all concerned.

I bet you have loads of Muslim friends

I work with about 50 Muslims and, yes, quite a few of them are friends. Some of them agree with me. I guess they're racist/islamophobic, or whatever cowardly idiocy you're attempting to smear me with, too.

There are some Muslims out there who want reformation and they're absolutely right to do so.

 

[whp.blue]

A Muslim's Response to the 25,000 Anti-Islam Protesters in Germany




Dear 25,000 Anti-Islam Dresden Protesters and Pegida,

I hear you marched in your thousands against my religion. Last week, and last month. You marched against immigrants, foreigners, and anyone a shade darker. I will not draw comparisons to Nazi Germany. I will not call you bigots, I will not insult you, and I will not label you. But we do have a problem.

You marched with banners claiming your city is overcrowded with Muslims. Yet 0.1% of Dresden are Muslim. You marched claiming immigrants are cramming your schools and leaving your children to travel miles for an education. Yet 2.5% of Dresden are foreign-born.

You claim that Germany is being invaded by Muslims. Yet only 5% of Germans are Muslim.

You march "against the Islamization of the West". Yet within a century containing two World Wars, the decolonisation process, countless civil conflicts, foreign intervention, globalisation, and further displacement, Muslims remain a fringe minority in Europe. Less than 6%. A pretty lousy colonisation process, no?

You marched against refugees and asylum seekers, claiming Germany is their target for welfare and social security. Yet according to UNHCR, there are 51.2million refugees worldwide. Germany caters for less than 0.01% of them. Is that too much to ask? Is such a humanitarian obligation too large for the Refugee Convention 1951 your government ratified? Or is it actually punitive, for example, in comparison to Lebanon where every fourth person is a Syrian refugee?

Protesters, you are not alone. In my country, Britain, we have our own anti-immigration party. Ukip won their first seat in Clacton with nothing but anti-migrant rhetoric. Yet only 4.3% of Clacton are foreign-born. In a Parliamentary-based system, where each constituency elects a representative to voice their views, there is nothing Ukip can do for the people of Clacton.

Do you see a pattern? Perhaps I should explain. Your kind tend to establish themselves where their "problem" does not actually exist. Is this therefore an issue of negative perception? Fear of the unfamiliar? Intolerance in ignorance? Scapegoating an underclass? Media misinformation?

I will elaborate. London has a 36.2% foreign-born population. Relatively, that is fifteen times the population of foreigners in Dresden. A far greater diversity. Ukip poll the lowest in London compared to the rest of the country- in every demographic, foreign or not. London is a metropolis of brown, black, and white working side by side. We thrive. I saw an atheist today. Guess what? I did not try to convert him nor behead him for blasphemy; I helped him off the bus. He was 74 years old.

Does that make sense?

Your only insight into Islam is a box in your living room. Confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance infest the information you expose yourself to. Information which dehumanises and polarises anyone unlike you.

You enjoy the far-right media portrayal of Islam. It makes you feel good. Superior. Better. The barbaric Muslims, we are. We disrespect women, and we impose our beliefs on to others.

Yet did you know that Turkey, Indonesia, and Bangladesh, all Muslim majority states have had more elected female heads of state than almost every other Western country? Did you know that the Quran explicitly says "there is no compulsion in religion" (2:256), and our Prophet clarified "whomever hurts a non-Muslim will not smell a whiff of paradise"?

Did you know that your twisted misrepresentation of my religion helps the terrorists? Did you know that you and the terrorists agree on what seems to form an integral part of your identity: that Islam is violent? Did you know that you even use the same methodology to proclaim this; taking a verse out of context and evading any intellectual discourse?

What are Muslims to you, anyway? Arabs? Less than 20% of us are Arab. Indian or Pakistani? Again, less than 20%. Turkish? Less than 5%. Nothing else? That is more than half of us you cannot identify.

You assume our identity by our race. Is it not disheartening to you that such a narrow world view is legitimately held by so many? Does it not display a perspective so constrained to the contents of immediate life and prejudice? Is that not likely to lead to ignorant assumptions and offence in face of what is unbeknownst?

What becomes of the German Muslim, I wonder? Is he spared because he is white? Or is he declared a traitor and shunned? Is it difficult to choose between racism and neglecting a fellow countryman? Choose neither. Choose education. Tolerance. Kindness.

Detach from the vicious cycle of far-right media (who are unfamiliar with foreigners) feeding the far-right populace (who are unfamiliar with foreigners) what they should think about foreigners.

I ask you, have you ever met a Muslim? "Met" is not a synonym for shouting abuse at or stabbing to death in or outside their home. No, have you ever sat with a Muslim? Talked to a Muslim? Worked with a Muslim?

You should. At an airport perhaps, where we are 42 times more likely to be searched, and thus declared safe for human interaction.

Sincerely,
A Real-Life Muslim (not the ones on TV)



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Very fine words but the problem is people are judged by their actions and not their words!
To every Muslim I would ask one question with two simple parts:

In your Mosque.workplace or even your home have you ever heard anyone speaking in favour of extremists? and if so have you ever reported this to the relevant authorities?

I bet a large percentage will answer No and No but I bet a whole lot more who wont admit it answer Yes and No. And that I am afraid is the crux of the matter.

 

[Damocles]

I wonder whether this "real Muslim" (they all claim that title) has written to his fellow, more Islamist brothers? A few thousand protesters on the streets is a problem that pales into utter, utter insignificant when compared to the problem that is Islam.

I'm sick of hearing 'moderate' Muslims lying to us that Islam is a 'religion of peace'. Maybe to them it is, but only because they cherry pick and reject the obvious evil doctrines within.

We can talk and talk and go round in circles after every massacre but when you get down to it, either Islam polices itself or the likes of the US military will do it for you. The former is best for all concerned.

I bet you have loads of Muslim friends

I work with about 50 Muslims and, yes, quite a few of them are friends. Some of them agree with me. I guess they're racist/islamophobic, or whatever cowardly idiocy you're attempting to smear me with, too.

There are some Muslims out there who want reformation and they're absolutely right to do so.

Yeah I'm sure loads of your "50 Muslim friends" say that people are "lying that Islam is a religion of peace". Loads of religious people I know insult their religion all the time.

I'm not a coward about it. You're a bigot. I know this because we have dictionaries which contain some words that we use when we use the English language, and in that dictionary if I were to search for a word that fits your opinion it would be bigot.

You're also thick as two short planks because you say stupid stuff like "Islam should police itself" which shows that you don't know what Islam is, or at least the structure of it, and given that statement I'm wondering if you even understand what the word police means.

This is what you don't understand in your silly little mind - I don't need to smear you with any brush because you do that yourself when you post. Luckily you say these things on an open forum where normal people can point and laugh at you like we point and laugh at the Muslamic Rayguns.

 

[Silva_Spell]

I bet you have loads of Muslim friends

I work with about 50 Muslims and, yes, quite a few of them are friends. Some of them agree with me. I guess they're racist/islamophobic, or whatever cowardly idiocy you're attempting to smear me with, too.

There are some Muslims out there who want reformation and they're absolutely right to do so.

Yeah I'm sure loads of your "50 Muslim friends" say that people are "lying that Islam is a religion of peace". Loads of religious people I know insult their religion all the time.

I'm not a coward about it. You're a bigot. I know this because we have dictionaries which contain some words that we use when we use the English language, and in that dictionary if I were to search for a word that fits your opinion it would be bigot.

You're also thick as two short planks because you say stupid stuff like "Islam should police itself" which shows that you don't know what Islam is, or at least the structure of it, and given that statement I'm wondering if you even understand what the word police means.

This is what you don't understand in your silly little mind - I don't need to smear you with any brush because you do that yourself when you post. Luckily you say these things on an open forum where normal people can point and laugh at you like we point and laugh at the Muslamic Rayguns.

Didn't say I had 50 Muslim friends. Admitting that Islam is not a religion of peace, which, yes, some of my workmates do, is not insulting Islam. If you can't make such a simple distinction you should probably be quiet.

Saying 'you're a bigot because you fit a dictionary definition' is great ...except you didn't bother to show how I fit the definition. Good job!

The structure, or lack thereof, of Islam has no bearing on whether moderate Muslims choose to or succeed in quelling radical Muslims from within. "Policing" is as good a term as any for that process. You're an idiot.