A s**t away end full of tourists

Then the only way is organised kick offs at home matches. But how to go about starting it is anyone's guess. Perhaps @Manchester33 could help get the ball rolling with 1894, perhaps they could take on the mantle of an independent supporters union? Id be more than happy to pay a membership fee and I'm sure others would.
I agree. We need something. We have all of these various groups, but they don’t really have any influence over the club.

I look at the spirit of Shankly group at Liverpool and see how much they stand up for the fans and make a difference.
 
It was Baltic, think we sold about 2300 out of 5000 available. Reduced allocations were seen at all over the country, the team was poor and the prices ridiculous, I earnt 1000s of points in this era, anyone of a certain age could have easily done the same but places like Wigan and Bolton even saw modest City followings due to cost
They were selling tickets for our end on the day at Boro from their ticket office
 
I agree. We need something. We have all of these various groups, but they don’t really have any influence over the club.

I look at the spirit of Shankly group at Liverpool and see how much they stand up for the fans and make a difference.
1894 were talking about setting themselves up as a Supporters Trust. I did try to talk them into it a few years ago.

We are the only one of the 'top six' (we're still just about there) not to have one. Perhaps we've been too happy with our lot to kick up a fuss over the last few years, but the tide seems to be turning. MUST & SoS have been particularly effective, but the Spurs one has been sidelined by the club a bit from what I've seen. And Arsenal seem to have three separate groups.
 
Across the PL it's now the owners working together in secret against the fans.

The owners are the ones who have brought this about, and are still driving it.

And to think, after COVID and the empty stadiums, the owners welcomed the fans back with open arms. Two faced....
 
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1894 were talking about setting themselves up as a Supporters Trust. I did try to talk them into it a few years ago.

We are the only one of the 'top six' (we're still just about there) not to have one. Perhaps we've been too happy with our lot to kick up a fuss over the last few years, but the tide seems to be turning. MUST & SoS have been particularly effective, but the Spurs one has been sidelined by the club a bit from what I've seen. And Arsenal seem to have three separate groups.
I think something needs to be done. That could be the various groups working together or something new entirely.

We’ve seen so many things happen over the last few years and we’ve had no voice or one group standing up for us (with any influence). That’s people being kicked out of the front row, how tickets are allocated or the price of food for example. One main supporters trust is needed.

City matters doesn’t seem to have any influence at all and it feels like a token gesture to show the club ‘care’.
 
In response to your first point I've argued in the past (and even earlier in this thread) that there's a mismatch between numbers of tickets available to the different groups and and numbers making up those groups. If there's 5k hospitality season ticket holders (and that sounds like a lot) and 35k general season card holders, then the general season card holders should get 7 times the tickets that the hospitality subset get, whereas currently it's 4 times. So yes, we could argue that.
In principle yes, but if... as a result of reducing hospitality away tickets (and it has changed dramatically already from 2 or 3 years ago when you were pretty much 'guaranteed' away tickets, now it is nearly always a ballot) the number of people interested in hospitality drops (even 10%) then your tickets theoretically could go up 30-40% to compensate and then there would be even more complaints over price than there are already
 
Im a bit of a hopper ( done 400 grounds over the years ) and although I always have a City top on I would not dream of wearing it openly in other clubs grounds as a) I could get a kick in and b) it shows a total lack of respect to the club I am visiting.

That said one time I went to a Hungarian 4th division game.
Ha ha respect, I was quite pleased with my 44 different grounds. Nice one.
 
There isn’t a rule saying fans of other clubs shouldn’t wear their clubs shirts at City matches. I’ve seen loads of different teams shirts worn by tourists at the Etihad. But there is an accepted rule amongst fans that fans of other clubs shouldn’t wear their team’s shirts at other grounds, especially not in the away ends. It’s a sign of disrespect.

Like you I’ve been to a few European games whilst on holiday. I would have never worn a City shirt to those matches. If you go and watch another team, you usually support the home team, or be neutral, if you don’t have an affiliation to either side.
I would say there should be a rule about non city shirts or colours in an away end. Otherwise what’s the cutoff? 8 lads in Tottenham shirts in there yesterday? Real madrid? Millwall?

It’s fucking ridiculous they got in let alone got eight seats in a row
 

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