JohnMaddocksAxe said:And yes, this relates to our current situation as it seems that this is exactly the situation we would be in if the Arabs hadn't turned up out of nowhere nd we were under the same constraints that were in place when Hughes accepted the job.
CB - It is regrettable in this current climate that I am unable to secure regular first team action. I am of the opinion that if I continue to train hard I could be a useful asset to the squad, especially if the form of other players is not of the required standard. Sorry what? No I don't know anything about triginometry. Do your own homework please Vladimir...bluemoondays said:Imagine the scenario in the City dressing room the morning of Sept 1st when some knobhead announces he is going to buy the top players from every team and spend 100's of millions of pounds.
LB - Shit, no renewed contract for me, ah well, I'll go on a Bosman and some shit side will pick me up and keep paying me 15k/week. Time to pull up the footstool for a year.
CB - Damn, the suckers gave me a payrise to the level of some top players in the PL. I told Ish that last time I had a pot roast it wasn't anything like that. TIME TO HIT THOSE WEIGHTS!!!!
CB - Wife having a baby, weeks of sleepless nights ahead, oh crap.........
CB - Now who can I cry to this week, bitching about my position to my buddy didn't help - I know, I'll go straight to the top and whinge like a little girl....oh shit, why am I dropped from the squad?
CB - Who am I? Where am I? Has anybody seen me? - I'm the INVISIBLE MAN they keep singing about!!!
DM - Fussball factory, zcrew zis at my age - I'm going for anuzzer fag
DM - Cluck, cluck, cluck-cluck - OH NO, my heads fell off!!!!!
AM - We have signed my bezzie mate gringo. Ah sheet, that means I won't play every week. I must get my Che Guevara autobigraphy out and work on an eensurrection queeckly.
ST - muy dios, I am on the combined wage of the Sao Paulo population, TIME TO PARTYYYYY!!!!!!
MC - Damn, the suckers gave me a payrise to the level of some top players in the PL, I feel a mystery injury coming on apart from when its TIME TO PARTY AT THE CASINO!!!!
ST/RW - Shit, no renewed contract for me, ah well, I'll go on a Bosman and some shit side will pick me up and keep paying me 25k/week. Time to put my feet up.
ST - Ah well, I have got a contract for the next 3 years - at least I can afford to pay my dentist to keep my gleaming smile perfect. Damn, I need to book another 8 orthodontist appointments for the 1st half of the season, bollocks to training.
ST - I feel a twinge in my ankle - OH NO, My legs fallen off!!!
Meanwhile, about 10 players quietly get on with training hard...........
JohnMaddocksAxe said:Picture this.
In two weeks time Sam Alladyce knocks on the door of John Williams.
"John, I have some concerning news", says Fat Sam.
"I've come to the conclusion that the squad you have here is not good enough. I can't be expected to work with this. It is impossible for me to get results with them and until you provide me with £150m to buy a completely new team then this club is doomed to shocking results."
"John, I'm a man of high standards. I've worked with players like Ivan Campo and Kevin Davies in the past. What do you expect me to do with this lot?"
Why not just say Hughes out,you are very strange.......you stole the idea of a post like that aswell.
"Yes, Pederson and Roberts might have talent but I'm more ambitious than that John. I want better players, players of my own choosing. I can't believe you expect me to get results with players that I haven't bought."
"I refuse to take responsibility for any results until you provide me with this money, John, so get your wallet out. Until you do then things won't get any better and there's nothing I can do about it"
So Williams replies:
"Sam, we brought you here on the strength of what you've done in the past. You've worked with limited players, done good things with them and gradually evolved your squad over time, when budgets allow it."
"We need you to develop something here Sam. Establish a rapport with the players. make them get results for you. Sure, some of them were poor under Ince but you're a top manager Sam. We expect you to be able to get more out of them, use your managerial skills to advance them, make the environment easier for everyone to get results, make average players good and good players better."
"That's why we believe in you, Sam. We didn't get you because we thought you would be a good man to throw £200m at players and spunk money at anything that is available. We got you because you have shown good managerial qualities in the past and we believe you have what it takes to make something here."
"We'll give you some money, Sam. But we cn't just replace 3/4 of a squad at the drop of a hat. No manager in history has ever been able to do that. Managers work with what they've got and then improve when they can. You can't just say it's nothing to do with you until they are all your signings, Sam"
Sam replies:
"John, they were shit under Ince. Therefore they are going to be shit under me. What do you expect?"
"Work with them, Sam. Get their confidence. Show them the way to win, use you managerial skills. It's not fantasy football, Sam. We're not paying you this big wage just to pick players out of a catalogue. You have to work with what's here too" says John.
Sam gets up.
"£200m for a new squad or you're fucked, John. Your choice."
Is Sam justified in saying that it's nothing to do with him until John gives him a truck load of money or should he accept responsibility for keeping Blackburn up with the current squad and a few additions that he can get in January?
JohnMaddocksAxe said:Picture this.
In two weeks time Sam Alladyce knocks on the door of John Williams.
"John, I have some concerning news", says Fat Sam.
"I've come to the conclusion that the squad you have here is not good enough. I can't be expected to work with this. It is impossible for me to get results with them and until you provide me with £150m to buy a completely new team then this club is doomed to shocking results."
"John, I'm a man of high standards. I've worked with players like Ivan Campo and Kevin Davies in the past. What do you expect me to do with this lot?"
"Yes, Pederson and Roberts might have talent but I'm more ambitious than that John. I want better players, players of my own choosing. I can't believe you expect me to get results with players that I haven't bought."
"I refuse to take responsibility for any results until you provide me with this money, John, so get your wallet out. Until you do then things won't get any better and there's nothing I can do about it"
So Williams replies:
"Sam, we brought you here on the strength of what you've done in the past. You've worked with limited players, done good things with them and gradually evolved your squad over time, when budgets allow it."
"We need you to develop something here Sam. Establish a rapport with the players. make them get results for you. Sure, some of them were poor under Ince but you're a top manager Sam. We expect you to be able to get more out of them, use your managerial skills to advance them, make the environment easier for everyone to get results, make average players good and good players better."
"That's why we believe in you, Sam. We didn't get you because we thought you would be a good man to throw £200m at players and spunk money at anything that is available. We got you because you have shown good managerial qualities in the past and we believe you have what it takes to make something here."
"We'll give you some money, Sam. But we cn't just replace 3/4 of a squad at the drop of a hat. No manager in history has ever been able to do that. Managers work with what they've got and then improve when they can. You can't just say it's nothing to do with you until they are all your signings, Sam"
Sam replies:
"John, they were shit under Ince. Therefore they are going to be shit under me. What do you expect?"
"Work with them, Sam. Get their confidence. Show them the way to win, use you managerial skills. It's not fantasy football, Sam. We're not paying you this big wage just to pick players out of a catalogue. You have to work with what's here too" says John.
Sam gets up.
"£200m for a new squad or you're fucked, John. Your choice."
Is Sam justified in saying that it's nothing to do with him until John gives him a truck load of money or should he accept responsibility for keeping Blackburn up with the current squad and a few additions that he can get in January?
Well put. With the squad we have the best wr can hope for is mid table. Some of our supporters seeem to think because we have all this money we should be in top 6. The players were found out last season as not being good enough. Hughes inherited them and has hardly had chance to bring other players in which will take us to the next step. If we sack him now a new manager will not have time to bring in new players and anyway we will be starting again. The club needs stability. Some of the players in the current squad are lower premiership/championship players at best.allblackcitizen said:JohnMaddocksAxe said:Yes, but do you think that Sam, or any other manager, is correct in saying that results and perfomances are nothing to do with him and can't improve until he gets 3/4s of a new squad?
Is this fair, realistic or the actions of a quality manager?
That's what I'm asking on this thread
3/4's of a new squad? That would be in the region of 15-20 players. I haven't seen Hughes or anyone request 15-20 new players. I've seen him suggest 5 new players capable of performing consistently at first team level are required. Who on earth could disagree with that after watching the first half of the season?
If anyone thinks we have a good, balanced squad capable of competing at the top end of the table just have a look at the player profile section on the OS. It's completely unbalanced and utterly threadbare in key areas - 2 rookie keepers; several poor (Ball, TBH, Garrido - yes he's improved, but am yet to be convinced he's top drawer), out of form (Richards, Dunne), perenially injured (Ned) defenders; 1 reliable DM (Kompany) - the rest injured (Johnson), unable to run (Hamann), shit (Gelson); AM - generally excellent (Ireland, SWP) but now riven by injury and badly missing Petrov all season and an infuriating Elano; and a glut of forwards, either injured (Boj, Benjani), not good enough (Vas, Benjani, Jo, Caceido), too young/inconsistent (Studge/Evans/Caceido), with only really Robbie making the grade.
There is some talent there, hence the handsome victories when all goes to plan, but it's too easily undone and when you look at the players at Hughes' disposal it's really no wonder we're struggling.
5 new players of proven PL quality as a minimum, I'd say. And if a galactico wants to come and accept the challenge, then that's fine too.
allblackcitizen said:JohnMaddocksAxe said:Yes, but do you think that Sam, or any other manager, is correct in saying that results and perfomances are nothing to do with him and can't improve until he gets 3/4s of a new squad?
Is this fair, realistic or the actions of a quality manager?
That's what I'm asking on this thread
mackenzie said:This has to be one on the best threads on here in ages.
Lot of sense and addresses every way of looking at what is going on.