a secular society by 2030

[hilts]

i do, i'm wondering if you do, my question should have been why you think it is a quirk

I have a feeling you think that by me stating homosexuality is a quirk of nature i am somehow stating it is wrong in some way, i hope not

as a species males and females are designed to have sex with each other this is the norm and this is what the majority do, if a small % have sex with their own gender this is not the norm, a quirk of nature so to speak

i am not sure how anyone could disagree with such a statement

i wasn't thinking anything i was just asking a question

if you say so

 

[tonea2003]

I have a feeling you think that by me stating homosexuality is a quirk of nature i am somehow stating it is wrong in some way, i hope not

as a species males and females are designed to have sex with each other this is the norm and this is what the majority do, if a small % have sex with their own gender this is not the norm, a quirk of nature so to speak

i am not sure how anyone could disagree with such a statement

i wasn't thinking anything i was just asking a question

if you say so

i do,
i apologise if my line of question makes you think that way

 

[hilts]

i wasn't thinking anything i was just asking a question

if you say so

i do,
i apologise if my line of question makes you think that way

no problem fella

 

[Shadz69]

of course it's a quirk of nature to say otherwise is nonsense

A lot of different species share this quirk so.

i know but a quirk it still is

It is so prevelant in nature i don't think it is a quirk,for some it is totally natural and for someone to say otherwise is nonsense in my opinion.

 

[SWP's back]

I think it can be shown without too much difficulty that Homosexuality has been evidenced in human behaviour since the year dot...completely natural.

My understanding of the Catholic Church's position is that it's not OK in the same way that sex with contraception is not OK. ie: it's not procreative.

I don't agree with either position but I am sure that is the thinking behind it.

Contraception
The act of Sexual intercourse is considered to have two functions:

Unitive - the couple become one flesh.
Procreative - the sexual act creates the possibility of conception


Homosexuality
They are contrary to the natural law.
They close the sexual act to the gift of life.

Thought as much.

Did you miss the "morally wrong" bit?

Fucking bigoted Catholics (not you), who are they to lecture anyone on morals? How many children have died in Africa of aids based on these 'higher morals'? Arseholes.

 

[Blue Tooth]

Contraception
The act of Sexual intercourse is considered to have two functions:

Unitive - the couple become one flesh.
Procreative - the sexual act creates the possibility of conception


Homosexuality
They are contrary to the natural law.
They close the sexual act to the gift of life.

Thought as much.

Did you miss the "morally wrong" bit?

Fucking bigoted Catholics (not you), who are they to lecture anyone on morals? How many children have died in Africa of aids based on these 'higher morals'? Arseholes.

No I didn't miss that...I just highlighted the point I was in agreement with as I thought it was the core of the argument. I don't see myself as Catholic now, rather as someone who survived pre Vatican 2 Catholicism, and I would never hold them up as arbiters of any kind of moral code.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

I'm neither homophobic or a bigot.

Then please explain why you would deny same sex couples the opportunity to get married in your church.
It really is quite a simple question.

Addressed to Sooty as well.

The question is not simple at all.

It has implications for the nature of human identity, the best environment for raising children from birth, the nature of society, government policy on many fronts and many others.

Anyway your techniques are well known now.

Take a person's post, choose one small part, twist it into something they haven't said, post your reply all with the specific intention of ridiculing them for disagreeing with you.

So you can't answer a simple question.
And it has fuck all to do with my 'techniques'.
Just tell us all why you don't want to allow same sex couples in a committed,loving and lasting relationship to get married in your church.
Or do us all a huge favour and just leave the forum that you contribute absolutely nothing whatsoever to for good,because believe me you wouldn't be missed.

 

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

Whats a secular society please..i was only educated to gcse level.

Evening fetlock,swp and all regular cellarites

 

[hilts]

A lot of different species share this quirk so.

i know but a quirk it still is

It is so prevelant in nature i don't think it is a quirk,for some it is totally natural and for someone to say otherwise is nonsense in my opinion.

of course it feels natural but it is a quirk of nature that it does, it is not the norm,a quirk whatever term you like

you are entitled to your opinion it just happens to be wrong

 

[SWP's back]

i know but a quirk it still is

It is so prevelant in nature i don't think it is a quirk,for some it is totally natural and for someone to say otherwise is nonsense in my opinion.

of course it feels natural but it is a quirk of nature that it does, it is not the norm,a quirk whatever term you like

you are entitled to your opinion it just happens to be wrong

Much like bum sex

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

Whats a secular society please..i was only educated to gcse level.

Evening fetlock,swp and all regular cellarites

Evening SHB - just trying to get a straight answer from piousdomonic for once.
I may try nailing jelly to the wall or plaiting fog shortly as it may be more rewarding.
A secular society is one that is not governed along the teachings of one religion,and allows equal respect to all faiths mate.

 

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

Whats a secular society please..i was only educated to gcse level.

Evening fetlock,swp and all regular cellarites

Evening SHB - just trying to get a straight answer from piousdomonic for once.
I may try nailing jelly to the wall or plaiting fog shortly as it may be more rewarding.
A secular society is one that is not governed along the teachings of one religion,and allows equal respect to all faiths mate.

Thanks mate.not been down here for a while...glad im an atheist matey as it seems easier.

 

[sinnerman]

i know but a quirk it still is

It is so prevelant in nature i don't think it is a quirk,for some it is totally natural and for someone to say otherwise is nonsense in my opinion.

of course it feels natural but it is a quirk of nature that it does, it is not the norm,a quirk whatever term you like

you are entitled to your opinion it just happens to be wrong

If it's a quirk of nature, then surely it's natural, but just not as common as the prevalent sexuality. Quirk just means peculiar or idiosyncratic; it does not mean unnatural.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

Now we're into a semantic debate over definitions of the word 'quirk'.
I thought she was the fat piece off 'Birds Of A Feather'.

 

[hilts]

It is so prevelant in nature i don't think it is a quirk,for some it is totally natural and for someone to say otherwise is nonsense in my opinion.

of course it feels natural but it is a quirk of nature that it does, it is not the norm,a quirk whatever term you like

you are entitled to your opinion it just happens to be wrong

If it's a quirk of nature, then surely it's natural, but just not as common as the prevalent sexuality. Quirk just means peculiar or idiosyncratic; it does not mean unnatural.

bluemooners will literally argue about anything(waits for post questioning the use of the word literally)

 

[tonea2003]

Whats a secular society please..i was only educated to gcse level.

Evening fetlock,swp and all regular cellarites

Evening SHB - just trying to get a straight answer from piousdomonic for once.
I may try nailing jelly to the wall or plaiting fog shortly as it may be more rewarding.
A secular society is one that is not governed along the teachings of one religion,and allows equal respect to all faiths mate.

This is a pretty good guide


<a class="postlink" href="http://www.secularism.org.uk/secularcharter.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.secularism.org.uk/secularcharter.html</a>

 

[sinnerman]

of course it feels natural but it is a quirk of nature that it does, it is not the norm,a quirk whatever term you like

you are entitled to your opinion it just happens to be wrong

If it's a quirk of nature, then surely it's natural, but just not as common as the prevalent sexuality. Quirk just means peculiar or idiosyncratic; it does not mean unnatural.

bluemooners will literally argue about anything(waits for post questioning the use of the word literally)

Nowt wrong with healthy debate, unless you think that's (unnatural) quirky too.

 

[The Flash]

Now we're into a semantic debate over definitions of the word 'quirk'.
I thought she was the fat piece off 'Birds Of A Feather'.

I thought he was Captain of the Enterprise?

 

[hilts]

If it's a quirk of nature, then surely it's natural, but just not as common as the prevalent sexuality. Quirk just means peculiar or idiosyncratic; it does not mean unnatural.

bluemooners will literally argue about anything(waits for post questioning the use of the word literally)

Nowt wrong with healthy debate, unless you think that's (unnatural) quirky too.

Suddenly feel very tired

 

[pauldominic]

Here you go Paul seeing as you struggle unless everything is done for you:

<Giant snip>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2251728/Pope-Benedict-XVI-denounces-gay-marriage-Christmas-message.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ssage.html</a>

Ah the daily mail, the paragon of truth and accuracy.

Here is what he actually said: -

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/speeches/2012/december/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20121221_auguri-curia_en.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/bened ... ia_en.html</a>

Personally I do not have any disagreement with him at all on this particular subject.

Perhaps cellarites would enjoy his real Christmas address.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/messages/urbi/documents/hf_ben-xvi_mes_20121225_urbi_en.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/bened ... bi_en.html</a>

so who said this then

"a false understanding of freedom" and a repudiation of life-long commitment in heterosexual marriage.

"When such commitment is repudiated, the key figures of human existence likewise vanish: father, mother, child - essential elements of the experience of being human are lost,"

people could not "dispute the idea that they have a nature, given by their bodily identity, that serves as a defining element of the human being".

The "pre-ordained duality of man and woman" had to be respected, he said, if families and children were not to lose their place and dignity.

People could not become what he called "abstract human beings" choosing for themselves what their nature would be

and you still haven't answered my last section of quotes which you have sidestepped

Your continued usage of the daily mail makes it impossible to understand what he actually said and have a civilised dialogue.

That article is full of intentional inaccuracy, unnecessary and prejudicial imagery with a very dodgy headline.

If you want a civilised dialogue, avoid newspapers in general and certainly the daily mail.

Go away and reference him directly.

A question to finish this post: How do you know I have sidestepped your quotes?

I know the answer but I want to hear it from you.