A thread about protesters

bluethrunthru said:
why do Police Officers of all people struggle to not break the law?

www.bbc.co.uk

Sarah Everard: Met Police officers investigated over case file access

Officers who access records without a legitimate reason could be breaking the law, the Met says.
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They don't.

But you do have to remind officers/staff not to look at anything unless for a policing purpose-and of course there may be temptation esp when the suspect is an officer. Commonly custody records-I'd be extremely surprised if any of this amounted to anything other than low level misconduct-people being too nosey.

The days are gone when you could check for crimes in your areas, or vehicles you see acting suspiciously off duty-unless you go through the correct channels. Every key stroke is traceable.
 
bert38 said:
They don't.

But you do have to remind officers/staff not to look at anything unless for a policing purpose-and of course there may be temptation esp when the suspect is an officer. Commonly custody records-I'd be extremely surprised if any of this amounted to anything other than low level misconduct-people being too nosey.

The days are gone when you could check for crimes in your areas, or vehicles you see acting suspiciously off duty-unless you go through the correct channels. Every key stroke is traceable.
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why do you have to "remind" them? DPA rules are regularly discussed and enforced wherever I have worked. Unless you have a reason its illegal - thats ILLEGAL - to take a peek. Its not hard to grasp for a 20 year old in an insurance office so I fail to understand why someone whose job is to know and uphold the law is incapable of doing it.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
Can't they just throw the investigation in the bin?
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I feel sorry for the met, they just can't win it seems. Wade into a protest cracking a few heads together and they are condemned for violence, stand passively and they are accused of inconsistencies and not doing their job. The only option left is to join in the protest and now even that is wrong?
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I feel sorry for the met, they just can't win it seems. Wade into a protest cracking a few heads together and they are condemned for violence, stand passively and they are accused of inconsistencies and not doing their job. The only option left is to join in the protest and now even that is wrong?
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for me the passive observation and not getting involved is the better approach - from vigils to marches their actions and those of their officers are found wanting.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I feel sorry for the met, they just can't win it seems. Wade into a protest cracking a few heads together and they are condemned for violence, stand passively and they are accused of inconsistencies and not doing their job. The only option left is to join in the protest and now even that is wrong?
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Well yes technically it is against the rules for her to have done it. Although she does appear to be sincere and not just virtue signalling.

Other officers in the met have taken the knee at protests.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
Well yes technically it is against the rules for her to have done it. Although she does appear to be sincere and not just virtue signalling.

Other officers in the met have taken the knee at protests.
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Maybe not all black lives do matter (if they are Palestinian)? I'm taking the piss of course, but this is exactly why officers taking the knee was wrong - it's adopting a clear political position. I happen to agree with both the spirit of BLM and Palestinian emancipation, but don't want to see the police involved in either while on duty.
 
bluethrunthru said:
why do you have to "remind" them? DPA rules are regularly discussed and enforced wherever I have worked. Unless you have a reason its illegal - thats ILLEGAL - to take a peek. Its not hard to grasp for a 20 year old in an insurance office so I fail to understand why someone whose job is to know and uphold the law is incapable of doing it.
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Because human nature. BUT nowhere in that article does it say anybody has looked for reasons other than genuine policing reasons.
also when a custody record (if that is indeed part of what they allude to) is there for all to see it means that numerous people will have cause to read it, add to it.
 
bert38 said:
Because human nature. BUT nowhere in that article does it say anybody has looked for reasons other than genuine policing reasons.
also when a custody record (if that is indeed part of what they allude to) is there for all to see it means that numerous people will have cause to read it, add to it.
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Yeah but mate I am seriously concerned that in a bid to hit govt recruitment targets the bar being set is being lowered to US police standards where it seems any violent thug can become a cop. I want Police officers - particularly those in what is traditionally supposed to be the best force in the country - to be better than this. Up here Cleveland and Durham Police have been a 3 ring circus clown show for over a decade.

www.standard.co.uk

Met Police officer sacked from role only weeks into her job

A police officer has been struck from the force without notice following a fast-tracked misconduct hearing.
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bluethrunthru said:
Yeah but mate I am seriously concerned that in a bid to hit govt recruitment targets the bar being set is being lowered to US police standards where it seems any violent thug can become a cop. I want Police officers - particularly those in what is traditionally supposed to be the best force in the country - to be better than this. Up here Cleveland and Durham Police have been a 3 ring circus clown show for over a decade.

www.standard.co.uk

Met Police officer sacked from role only weeks into her job

A police officer has been struck from the force without notice following a fast-tracked misconduct hearing.
www.standard.co.uk www.standard.co.uk
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I think we all want our police to uphold the traditions of the British police that we all hold dearly and I was proud to be part of. Policing isn’t really about protests and riot gear, it’s a tiny part of it but makes good tv. It’s mainly about everyday interactions with the public, helping victims of crime and hopefully locking up the bad guys-although it has become more akin to being a social worker and a mental health worker.
I was a public order commander for several years and largely hated it-that the policy clearly states its voluntary, and I certainly never volunteered for it!
but I can assure you that the overwhelming majority of officers are decent people-there are always going to be examples that go against that, but they are normally quickly routed out.
and you are right, it should be hard to join-vetting was found wanting in that met example recently. But it’s still a job I’d encourage anyone to consider who wants to try to make a difference.
 
bert38 said:
I think we all want our police to uphold the traditions of the British police that we all hold dearly and I was proud to be part of. Policing isn’t really about protests and riot gear, it’s a tiny part of it but makes good tv. It’s mainly about everyday interactions with the public, helping victims of crime and hopefully locking up the bad guys-although it has become more akin to being a social worker and a mental health worker.
I was a public order commander for several years and largely hated it-that the policy clearly states its voluntary, and I certainly never volunteered for it!
but I can assure you that the overwhelming majority of officers are decent people-there are always going to be examples that go against that, but they are normally quickly routed out.
and you are right, it should be hard to join-vetting was found wanting in that met example recently. But it’s still a job I’d encourage anyone to consider who wants to try to make a difference.
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I think that the desire to make a difference AND maintaining that faith throughout your service is really what should matter - going in wanting to make a difference then simply joining the status quo and abandoning your beliefs means you are not in the righ job - the House of Commons shows us that.
 
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