Accusation of Munich chants

[Skashion]

That's rubbish though. There are numerous songs that some City fans have sung over the years referencing the runway, the plane, the crash, the pilots, ice, snow, the dead, the survivors, "and when they play in Europe now I hope they crash again"... Unfortunately, we have sung about the crash and the dead in a derogatory way. No getting away from those facts.

Yes, we know those songs have been sung, and continue to be on a rare occasion. The point I'm making is there is a huge difference between those songs sang by less than two hundred people and those which only involve the term 'Munichs' such as the Alfie Inge song. "He hates Munichs". That's clearly not a reference to the Munich air disaster because a) there wasn't more than one of them b) why would he hate it in the context of the song? Munichs has become a catch-all term for their fans and players. That difference should be acknowledged because it's the difference between thousands of fans who use Munich only in that sense and the two hundred who'll sing about icy runways.

 

[Anonymous]

I wasn't there so I don't know what really happened. However on reading this thread it appears a very tiny majority used the M word.

What's also apparent on this thread is that some Blues think that other Blues using the M word don't really mean to be all that offensive, that's naive nonsense. Similar logic was used in the 80s when idiots threw bananas at John Barnes and others thought it was just a bit of fun.

It's grossly offensive to use Munich as any kind of jibe and I pray for the day when I never hear it again but I'm not holding my breath.

Well said Alex.

 

[CC1]

Depressing; especially after the condemnation of that lot singing their victim song at the weekend.

Really need to cut this out of the repertoire now. No reason for it whatsoever.

We were in middle of all the fans. NO Munich chants - they were just calling Roy Keane a wander....It's amazing how those who weren't there heard them!! Just got back and watched the recording - didn't hear anything then either<br /><br />-- Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:18 pm --<br /><br />

I heard the usual "Munichs Munichs Munichs" at the end of If You Hate Man United Clap Your Hands. Dot know about anything else.

THIS DID NOT HAPPEN

 

[Eccles Blue]

I wasn't there so I don't know what really happened. However on reading this thread it appears a very tiny majority used the M word.

What's also apparent on this thread is that some Blues think that other Blues using the M word don't really mean to be all that offensive, that's naive nonsense. Similar logic was used in the 80s when idiots threw bananas at John Barnes and others thought it was just a bit of fun.

It's grossly offensive to use Munich as any kind of jibe and I pray for the day when I never hear it again but I'm not holding my breath.

Totally agree Alex, a great post. I wasn't there last night but I was around at the time of the Munich Air Crash and as I constantly remind people they were young lads who lost their lives, families lost their loved ones and one of our own City 'family' also died.

I can remember the disbelief and the sense of loss not just for Manchester United but for the world of football.

So anyone who says either who cares or what does it matter, I care and it does matter!! It matters because Frank Swift matters to City's history and to chant the M song is to disrespect his memory.

As you may be able to tell this is something I feel very strongly about because it MATTERS!!

 

[CC1]

I wasn't there so I don't know what really happened. However on reading this thread it appears a very tiny majority used the M word.

What's also apparent on this thread is that some Blues think that other Blues using the M word don't really mean to be all that offensive, that's naive nonsense. Similar logic was used in the 80s when idiots threw bananas at John Barnes and others thought it was just a bit of fun.

It's grossly offensive to use Munich as any kind of jibe and I pray for the day when I never hear it again but I'm not holding my breath.

Totally agree Alex, a great post. I wasn't there last night but I was around at the time of the Munich Air Crash and as I constantly remind people they were young lads who lost their lives, families lost their loved ones and one of our own City 'family' also died.

I can remember the disbelief and the sense of loss not just for Manchester United but for the world of football.

So anyone who says either who cares or what does it matter, I care and it does matter!! It matters because Frank Swift matters to City's history and to chant the M song is to disrespect his memory.

As you may be able to tell this is something I feel very strongly about because it MATTERS!!

-- Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:21 pm --

I wasn't there so I don't know what really happened. However on reading this thread it appears a very tiny majority used the M word.

What's also apparent on this thread is that some Blues think that other Blues using the M word don't really mean to be all that offensive, that's naive nonsense. Similar logic was used in the 80s when idiots threw bananas at John Barnes and others thought it was just a bit of fun.

It's grossly offensive to use Munich as any kind of jibe and I pray for the day when I never hear it again but I'm not holding my breath.

Totally agree Alex, a great post. I wasn't there last night but I was around at the time of the Munich Air Crash and as I constantly remind people they were young lads who lost their lives, families lost their loved ones and one of our own City 'family' also died.

I can remember the disbelief and the sense of loss not just for Manchester United but for the world of football.

So anyone who says either who cares or what does it matter, I care and it does matter!! It matters because Frank Swift matters to City's history and to chant the M song is to disrespect his memory.

As you may be able to tell this is something I feel very strongly about because it MATTERS!!

Neither of you were there and this is really annoying. The City fans were fantastic at the game and before the game despite not being allowed in the ground until 15 minutes before the start and being kept behind for ages afterwards. There were no safety stewards to watch 3500 trying to negotiate the escalators down 5 floors and they closed all the exits bar one!! It was only because the City fans were so well behaved leaving that there wasn't a serious accident. One lady behind me couldn't get off the escalator because of all fans could only use one exit and she nearly fell over. There was a line of police but they were only there in case there was any trouble - there wasn't and the fans mixed with Real fans after - no problem.

THERE WERE NO MUNICH CHANTS

 

[Eccles Blue]

CC1,

If you read both our posts carefully, neither of us is accusing anyone who was there last night, we are both just stating that we deplore Munich chants at any time. Please take your head out of a certain place and read the post(s) properly.

Also, if you have read the whole thread you will see that other people who WERE THERE, have said that there were a MINORITY who did chant the word.

Having attended the Euro matches home and away for many years, last nights being the first I have missed in 3 years I know how difficult it can be. I was in Greece when we were herded like cattle and not even allowed toilet facilities. That was the night I rebelled and pushed my way through their security line and told them I was going to the toilet and if they wanted to arrest me to go ahead!! So please don't imply that I don't understand the way we get treated in Europe!!


Also, if you look in the match day thread you will see that I said how proud I was to hear our fans 'songs' above the Madrid crowd and how you had all done a great job for the ones left behind!!

 

[Joe Hayes]

I was there and heard no munich chants. we did plenty of 'keane is a wanker', 'Alfie Haarland', 'scum' and 'you let your country down' but no munich that I heard sitting on the right side of the City support.

I was there too and the Alfie Harland song clearly ended with " He Hates Munichs"

Completely unnecessary and not befitting of the exemplary support and behaviour of the vast majority of fans there who were a credit to the club.

Unfortunately there was a very small minority whose behaviour inside and outside the ground was shameful and embarassing.

 

[Bill]

didn't hear it, be surprised if its so.

 

[CC1]

CC1,

If you read both our posts carefully, neither of us is accusing anyone who was there last night, we are both just stating that we deplore Munich chants at any time. Please take your head out of a certain place and read the post(s) properly.

Also, if you have read the whole thread you will see that other people who WERE THERE, have said that there were a MINORITY who did chant the word.

Having attended the Euro matches home and away for many years, last nights being the first I have missed in 3 years I know how difficult it can be. I was in Greece when we were herded like cattle and not even allowed toilet facilities. That was the night I rebelled and pushed my way through their security line and told them I was going to the toilet and if they wanted to arrest me to go ahead!! So please don't imply that I don't understand the way we get treated in Europe!!


Also, if you look in the match day thread you will see that I said how proud I was to hear our fans 'songs' above the Madrid crowd and how you had all done a great job for the ones left behind!!

A rather patronising response - I wasn't accusing you of anything I just wanted you to know that there were no M chants - seeing as it bothers you so much. I know some people on here say there was a minority who used the M word and if so, then it would be interesting to know how many made up this 'minority' because we honestly didn't hear anything. Out of 3500 - I bet it was a handful. OK that's a handful too many but on the whole City fans don't condone using the word but you can't do much about the drunken few who, quite frankly, are ill educated, ill brought up oiks. All clubs have them

 

[marcoboogers]

Munichs= Munich sympathisers,supporters who came from the length and breadth of the country and abroad to watch UTD after the disaster.This is the reason they are supported across the country now and by younger relatives of people who adopted UTD as their club. Apparently it was used as an endearing term in the early years after the disaster.

Why use it when referring to Ryan Giggs then when singing that song?