Adolescence

Bigga said:
But, it's not BS. It's roughly correct. I expect backlash with the following notes.

The blame is social media. Without social media and the push to promote beyond wealthy and 6ft 2+ males, women's average goals would remain 'normal' in the West. I have seen, time and again, women 5ft to 5ft 5 reject 6ft men as being "too short", so what happens to an average height, working class man?
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When you say 'I have seen' though, what do you actually mean? You mean 'seen' in real life, or 'seen' on social media? Because we've all seen those videos where they get some woman on a street interview saying that she'll only consider a guy with the three sixes: six foot, six figures and six inches. But most of us recognise that like those 'all Americans are thick' videos, only the most egregious examples are going to get shown to you, either because the creator only shares the ones designed to wind you up, or the algorithm shows you the ones that get most traction, which is always the most extreme examples.

I don't disagree that social media has skewed people's perspectives and expectations though. The classic for me is how everyone in America seems to think that a six-figure salary is about average, when in reality, it's under $70k, and that by definition includes all the sixty-year-olds in senior management positions, with the average for a man in their 20s being something in the 40s. But let's not pretend this isn't true of men too. Let's not pretend these '80% of women' types are interested in a 5/10. They're just as likely to be only interested in the 'top 20%' of women too, even though they aren't in that bracket themselves. The problem with everything nowadays is that everyone is constantly presented with this idea that the 'top 20%' of everything (and let's be honest, we're actually talking about the top 1-2% in reality) is attainable for them when for the most part it isn't. In the past, an average looking, not particularly sociable, not particularly affluent guy would be happy with a 'nice girl,' now they're dissatisfied if they don't end up with a model, just like girls are told they can expect 6ft with a 6 figure salary.
 
mind your car Mr? said:
average at best, it seemed like they ran out of ideas after two episodes, the rest was boring.
lots of un answered questions, must try harder
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I thought as a piece of drama, it was great, and the third episode was probably the best. But in terms of actually covering the issue, I thought they only really dealt with it in a fairly superficial way. A quick reference to the red pill here, a mention of Andrew Tate there, the word 'incel' used a few times, but we didn't really get an insight into exactly what he was watching and how it was effecting him psychologically. The topic arguably needs the American History X treatment. Or the Louis Theroux treatment. Basically, it came across as something written by two men in their 50s rather than anyone who's actually been through it.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
When you say 'I have seen' though, what do you actually mean? You mean 'seen' in real life, or 'seen' on social media? Because we've all seen those videos where they get some woman on a street interview saying that she'll only consider a guy with the three sixes: six foot, six figures and six inches. But most of us recognise that like those 'all Americans are thick' videos, only the most egregious examples are going to get shown to you, either because the creator only shares the ones designed to wind you up, or the algorithm shows you the ones that get most traction, which is always the most extreme examples.

I don't disagree that social media has skewed people's perspectives and expectations though. The classic for me is how everyone in America seems to think that a six-figure salary is about average, when in reality, it's under $70k, and that by definition includes all the sixty-year-olds in senior management positions, with the average for a man in their 20s being something in the 40s. But let's not pretend this isn't true of men too. Let's not pretend these '80% of women' types are interested in a 5/10. They're just as likely to be only interested in the 'top 20%' of women too, even though they aren't in that bracket themselves. The problem with everything nowadays is that everyone is constantly presented with this idea that the 'top 20%' of everything (and let's be honest, we're actually talking about the top 1-2% in reality) is attainable for them when for the most part it isn't. In the past, an average looking, not particularly sociable, not particularly affluent guy would be happy with a 'nice girl,' now they're dissatisfied if they don't end up with a model, just like girls are told they can expect 6ft with a 6 figure salary.
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I'm not part of the current dating scene (I'm busy enough with who's around me), but what I've seen is not without personal witnessing over the last couple of years as well as online content.

Yes, there is content that looks like it might be skewed towards 'viral moments' but in a random line up for dating, you see a lot of the desire of preference come out in these shows in the US and see similar in UK content.

For your observation on preference from male and female, I tend to see ave females not 'settling' whereas ave men do, even if they may desire a 'model' like looking woman (fantasy led, mostly). Not all, of course, but women 'monkey-branch' at better options.

I've just had a really quick look at the 'Hoe_Math' channel and this is from a year ago and he's gotten much better since, but this still balances out.


 
PinkFinal said:
It's grim. But a must see.

This incel thing , 80% of women are only interested in 20% of men
If this is true the implications for society are terrifying
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It’s true, I’ve just been on a dog walk down the A49 and only 20 percent of the female drivers looked over. Probably thinking what a cute dog or who’s that handsome bastard with a black dog.The rest didn’t seem arsed.
 
Tommy_Catons_Perm said:
Blimey, some people have too much time on their hands to imagine such shit.
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I'd say it's a sign of the generation.
Back in my day (and I'm not a FOC) there were plenty of lads who couldn't get laid because they weren't popular with the young ladies. Don't think anyone would have made a name up for them or them being hateful to said women.
 
Bigga said:
Good grief.

Again, try and not spout buzzwords. Try looking into why the likes of Tate grew (he's not there for no reason) and what created "incels" as you call them.

Put in the effort. Have a try.
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Err because they cottoned on they can make money preying on the insecurity and vulnerability of young males.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Err because they cottoned on they can make money preying on the insecurity and vulnerability of young males.
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SOME young males. not every young female is smashing it on only fans either. So much generalisation on this thread it's a bit embarrassing really.

Just for context, I don't know of one person personally who has stabbed someone or been to prison for murder or serious assault, I know someone else will have a different experience but if you have had a different experience I suggest you move and find somewhere else to live and change your friends.
 
mexico1970 said:
SOME young males. not every young female is smashing it on only fans either. So much generalisation on this thread it's a bit embarrassing really.

Just for context, I don't know of one person personally who has stabbed someone or been to prison for murder or serious assault, I know someone else will have a different experience but if you have had a different experience I suggest you move and find somewhere else to live and change your friends.
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Obviously not all , but its a growing problem and one that is finally being looked at.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Obviously not all , but its a growing problem and one that is finally being looked at.
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They made a program and a few bent out of shape liberals rubbed their chin and it's being "Looked at", do me a favour.

The most traumatic event you soft fuckers have had to endure probably is a slightly off aubergine or having to change the Cat cat litter without air freshener.
 
mexico1970 said:
They made a program and a few bent out of shape liberals rubbed their chin and it's being "Looked at", do me a favour.

The most traumatic event you soft fuckers have had to endure probably is a slightly off aubergine or having to change the Cat cat litter without air freshener.
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Yeh that’s the attitude, ‘back in my day bla bla bla’

(Some) Young kids are being manipulated and struggling in life due to social media and increasing societal pressures - why not have a bit of empathy instead of being a **** ?
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Yeh that’s the attitude, ‘back in my day bla bla bla’

(Some) Young kids are being manipulated and struggling in life due to social media and increasing societal pressures - why not have a bit of empathy instead of being a **** ?
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I didn't say back in my day learn to read instead of gushing over society porn. Have a watch of quadrophenia or investigate football violence of the 70's and if you really want to see a generation of people that got fucked over try the poor cunts who were killed in the first world war only to be humped again by influenza.

Mard arses navel gazing isn't doing anything but pandering to your ego, the only thing worse than a religious nut is a pious liberal coward.
 
mexico1970 said:
I didn't say back in my day learn to read instead of gushing over society porn. Have a watch of quadrophenia or investigate football violence of the 70's and if you really want to see a generation of people that got fucked over try the poor cunts who were killed in the first world war only to be humped again by influenza.

Mard arses navel gazing isn't doing anything but pandering to your ego, the only thing worse than a religious nut is a pious liberal coward.
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‘I didn’t say back in my day’ proceeds to talk about quadrophenia and 70’s hooligans.

You’re so fixated being anti liberal that you fail to acknowledge this issue, shame.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
You’re so fixated being anti liberal that you fail to acknowledge this issue, shame.
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Don't be stupid, enjoy your meaningless piety, your hobby doesn't do anyone a jot of good it only massages your ego.

It's not even productive like giving to a Whale charity, liberals all too often are the real evil in society with their lecturing ways and nose holding.

Liberals say they like everyone but in reality they hate everyone even themselves, at least cunts like me aren't spinning you a yarn to make you like me, knit a jumper or better still a fucking stab vest :)
 
mexico1970 said:
Don't be stupid, enjoy your meaningless piety, your hobby doesn't do anyone a jot of good it only massages your ego.

It's not even productive like giving to a Whale charity, liberals all too often are the real evil in society with their lecturing ways and nose holding.

Liberals say they like everyone but in reality they hate everyone even themselves, at least cunts like me aren't spinning you a yarn to make you like me, knit a jumper or better still a fucking stab vest :)
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Fuck knows what you’re waffling about , literally since this show it’s got parliament and MPs across all parties looking into this issue, more discussion at banning phones at schools and curbing social media for kids - why can’t you see this as a positive ? Reducing the chances of more kids going down a dark path isn’t a liberal issue. It’s a societal issue. Deny it all you want.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Fuck knows what you’re waffling about , literally since this show it’s got parliament and MPs across all parties looking into this issue, more discussion at banning phones at schools and curbing social media for kids - why can’t you see this as a positive ? Reducing the chances of more kids going down a dark path isn’t a liberal issue. It’s a societal issue. Deny it all you want.
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Discussion discussion discussion, you don't do joined up thinking very well do you? Mind you liberals don't manage that very well anyway.

I told you which generations had it tough, you choose to ignore it because the gimps in your book club have a pet project to propagate, you're not convincing anyone move the fuck on.
 
mexico1970 said:
Discussion discussion discussion, you don't do joined up thinking very well do you? Mind you liberals don't manage that very well anyway.

I told you which generations had it tough, you choose to ignore it because the gimps in your book club have a pet project to propagate, you're not convincing anyone move the fuck on.
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Yeh ok, I’ll put you on ignore.
 
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