Adolescence

[I'm With Stupid]

The race swap in adolescence is one example of this. Knife crime and fatherlessness, for instance ,is strongly a function of race, and the makers of this series are clearly afraid to tackle that.
Blaming Rochdale on "misogyny" is another prime example of pretending all of society is "misogynistic". And thereby pretending that all cultures are equally likely to engage in such activities.

It's not about that at all, it's about the fact that misogyny exists in all cultures, and so needs to be addressed in all cultures. If boys from certain cultures are more likely to have misogynistic attitudes, then surely they will benefit more from any intervention and you should be in favour of it?

And who's pretending all society is misogynistic? When we teach kids that it's wrong to steal or hurt animals or be racist, is it because we think that 'all of society' are thieves or animal abusers or racists, or is it because we don't know ahead of time who will have those tendencies? Or perhaps we want to create a culture of calling out such behaviour? To make it socially unacceptable to behave in certain ways or make certain sorts of comments. As far as I know, this has definitely worked with homophobia since I was in school, with kids being pretty quick to jump on homophobic remarks from their peers, for example. When I was in school, you could call someone 'gay' as an insult in front of the teacher and they wouldn't mention it. When my dad was a kid, you could do the same with racist comments.

 

[Bigga]

I realised, thanks for correcting me, misread his comment.

But his "misogyny" comment touches upon the other big problem with "everything is misogyny" attitude.
Problem 1 is of course blaming boys for all the ills of society, and giving girls a free pass - the series being discussed is a prime example.

Problem 2, on the other hand, is excusing cultures that have a genuine problem with how they treat women by pretending that a) all men have some kind of uniform "misogyny" problem, and b) this "misogyny" is independent of sub-cultures, and ignoring the fact that some cultures are genuinely awful.

The race swap in adolescence is one example of this. Knife crime and fatherlessness, for instance ,is strongly a function of race, and the makers of this series are clearly afraid to tackle that.
Blaming Rochdale on "misogyny" is another prime example of pretending all of society is "misogynistic". And thereby pretending that all cultures are equally likely to engage in such activities.

I wasn't sure if I was going to respond, but chose to in the end. Some of your points are true and some are conflated/ misdirected.

I agree with your assessment on 'problem 1', for example.

'Problem 2' is a divided issue. Your 'a' point is true, however your 'b' point is conflated. 'Misogyny' exists in almost all cultures of male outlook, whether mild or extreme. But, yeah, some present worse than others.

Your 'race swap' issue is irksome. ALL races of young people can carry knives. Knife carrying is not race dependent. In the show 'Mob Land' the knife assailant is White. Maybe they should have swapped him out for a Black character to bolster and satisfy your view? In Salford, at its height, many carriers were White. In Oldham, many were Asian and in Moss Side/ Longsight, Black.

As for your Rochdale point, you're speaking on sexual assault, so say it plainly. 'Assault' happens across the board with these men exerting their power and dominance. You can question percentage ratio per race, but you may not like what you see. the data is hard to find as so much is unreported for all attacks, but this is one I found:




Your "point" has no discernable value except hyperbole and you need better data before drawing conclusion. I recognise that data can be skewed to represent what it needs, so I'm not taking what I posted as face value either.

Sensationalism doesn't help discussion either way.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

the data is hard to find as so much is unreported for all attacks, but this is one I found:

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Your "point" has no discernable value except hyperbole and you need better data before drawing conclusion. I recognise that data can be skewed to represent what it needs, so I'm not taking what I posted as face value either.

Sensationalism doesn't help discussion either way.

You can't win this argument with data though.

Data shows that Asians commit more crime: See, Asians are criminals.

Data shows that Asians commit less crime: See, the police cover it up. Two-tier policing, etc.

 

[Bigga]

You can't win this argument with data though.

Data shows that Asians commit more crime: See, Asians are criminals.

Data shows that Asians commit less crime: See, the police cover it up. Two-tier policing, etc.

I agree with your point.

I was trying to show you can find data for anything that skews to your PoV, which makes the anecdotal sensational points posted, even more bulshit.

It's like being attacked by 'X' and, therefore fearing all 'X' beyond that encounter. So hearing/ reading about 'X' as a negative just drills the fear in further.

 

[SamTheGuru]

I think it is a bit overrated to be honest. First episode was brilliant. 2nd one was stupid and ridiculous, 3rd one was quite good and the 4th one was a bit meh.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

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Absolutely bizarre take given the murder victim in Adolescence was a young woman.

 

[ROCKET80]

Firstly, let me apologise for the big delay in conversation. I'm aware the momentum may be lost, but I had much work in many different places and didn't have the time to sit down and compose some dedicated thought on the discussion.

I accept there may be no more conversation to be had, but it's been a determination to find time to reply, so here we are...


Thanks for the discussion and, again, apologies for the much delayed reply.

No need to apologise.

Fair to say the discussion has probably run its course now, and I’ve genuinely enjoyed it. There are definitely areas where we see eye to eye, others where we don’t, and a few where I think we both have more to learn or reflect on which is pretty much how all good conversations should go.

Cheers for the exchange

 

[Bigga]

So, it looks like 'Adolescence' is getting a second series, an anthology one, it seems.

The question is, is it going to focus on another country or a different online situation?

I think the obvious one is going to be 'underage online grooming' which is rife, I think (or it seems so).

I just wonder where they'll set it.

 

[diegoalv]

Still haven’t watched it, and to be honest, as a parent, I’m a little nervous about seeing it. Besides that i was pretty busy these days, but hopefully it will change now. Took a leap and tried academized https://academized.com/thesis-writing-service for the first time last week. Let me tell you, I’ve never felt so relieved. The writing was clean and clear, and I didn’t have to revise a single thing. Now that I’m not stuck in my room all weekend writing, I’m using the time to reconnect with friends and family

 

[BlueHammer85]

Social media influencers fuelling misogyny in schools, teachers say - BBC News

Almost three in five teachers believe social media use has had a negative effect on behaviour in schools, according to a union poll.

www.bbc.com

 

[Barcon]

I've been avoiding this thread until I had the chance to watch.
Watched it last night so will start reading from the beginning.
One thing I did notice was the name "Andrew Tate". It stuck out because I had heard the name on here before.
No idea who he is but I honestly thought he was that rag that used to always pop up on here.

 

[Bigga]

I've been avoiding this thread until I had the chance to watch.
Watched it last night so will start reading from the beginning.
One thing I did notice was the name "Andrew Tate". It stuck out because I had heard the name on here before.
No idea who he is but I honestly thought he was that rag that used to always pop up on here.

Well, when you do read about Tate, you will be inundated about the bad comments he's made and no highlight of the positive comments he's made.

Winding up, context and sarcasm comes a lot into what Tate says and does.

But, he's not without fault with his past.

 

[Barcon]

Well, when you do read about Tate, you will be inundated about the bad comments he's made and no highlight of the positive comments he's made.

Winding up, context and sarcasm comes a lot into what Tate says and does.

But, he's not without fault with his past.

Is it this clown?

 

[BlueHammer85]

Well, when you do read about Tate, you will be inundated about the bad comments he's made and no highlight of the positive comments he's made.

Winding up, context and sarcasm comes a lot into what Tate says and does.

But, he's not without fault with his past.

Did you even read this report ?

Social media influencers fuelling misogyny in schools, teachers say - BBC News

Almost three in five teachers believe social media use has had a negative effect on behaviour in schools, according to a union poll.

www.bbc.com

Tate is a **** and is influencing kids to be evil shits.

Please spare us your long winded word salad justification of why him and his ilk are not really to blame for alot of kids behavior.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

I finished it the other night too.
Thought it was very good, kept wondering how can this be the last episode when they’ve not even had the court case but then we get to hear about the lad holding his hand up……

Was it either very very good editing or was each episode taken in one complete shot?

 

[Barcon]

I finished it the other night too.
Thought it was very good, kept wondering how can this be the last episode when they’ve not even had the court case but then we get to hear about the lad holding his hand up……

Was it either very very good editing or was each episode taken in one complete shot?

One shot. Very well done.

 

[BlueHammer85]

I finished it the other night too.
Thought it was very good, kept wondering how can this be the last episode when they’ve not even had the court case but then we get to hear about the lad holding his hand up……

Was it either very very good editing or was each episode taken in one complete shot?

one complete shot.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

One shot. Very well done.

I’m going to try that on one of my bridges ;)

 

[mexico1970]

I’m going to try that on one of my bridges ;)

Your bridge videos are a damn sight more realistic :)

 

[Bigga]

Did you even read this report ?

Social media influencers fuelling misogyny in schools, teachers say - BBC News

Almost three in five teachers believe social media use has had a negative effect on behaviour in schools, according to a union poll.

www.bbc.com

Tate is a **** and is influencing kids to be evil shits.

Please spare us your long winded word salad justification of why him and his ilk are not really to blame for alot of kids behavior.

Look, dumbo, don't quote me, then tell me not to respond, you dick. I see you're getting pilloried on other threads you're contributing to as well!

As it happens, I don't just take in soundbites from news outlets, which is why I posted what I posted, taking into account all he's done. I doubt, VERY MUCH, you understand the mindset of where he's coming from, so don't understand the context of the news and what they leave out.

At no point have you even decried any of the images and actions women are displaying online and just blaming it on young boys.

I see BOTH sides of it. You don't.

Until you DO and can discuss things in good faith, get to fuck.