Afghanistan

[mat]

I was impressed with Theresa May and hearing from all sides of the house but blaming the USA seems wrong, we don’t have to do what they did, cut and run.

Distraction techniques.

We didn't begrudgingly join in. In fact Blair couldn't wait to ride on W's coat tails.

Blaming the US is lazy and will further alienate their relationship with the current government in charge.

 

[kaz7]

Can’t tell if you’re taking the piss or not.

A quick look over shows many women at the airport. In the event of a humanitarian crisis, it’s not one man’s mission to save every other.

In their shoes, you literally have no idea how you would conduct yourself.

I was watching the news on various channels, why would you even think i would take the piss about a serious subject , we have a class clown on here doing it for the rest of us. You protect your female female relatives

Women and kids being beaten on the streets of kabal , we are just cute and cuddly taliban though

 

[BobKowalski]

I was impressed with Theresa May and hearing from all sides of the house but blaming the USA seems wrong, we don’t have to do what they did, cut and run.

We don’t have the military capacity to continue in Afghanistan without the US. The only way to do so would have been in a coalition with European nations, but there is no way that is happening. The French ended their involvement in 2014. The prospect of European intervention is zero.

Our foreign policy in this regard is at the beck and call of what the US wants and does. We had no influence with Trump when he made the peace deal with the Taliban 18 months ago and we have no influence with Biden now.

The only thing we can influence is how many Afghans we help and give safe passage to. Everything else, including hours of debate in the House, is just impotent froth and angst.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

Distraction techniques.

We didn't begrudgingly join in. In fact Blair couldn't wait to ride on W's coat tails.

Blaming the US is lazy and will further alienate their relationship with the current government in charge.

We don’t have a relationship with the US any more I don’t think they have the money or the will to fight injustice in the world, unless it affects them it is for us to find a way to defeat terrorism and appeal to other nations.
the 20 thousand re settlement of people is a slow 5 thousand to start, which is more of a slow withdrawal and a plane left Kabul empty this morning it’s really difficult for those left behind.

 

[inbetween]

I was impressed with Theresa May and hearing from all sides of the house but blaming the USA seems wrong, we don’t have to do what they did, cut and run.

We do have to cut and run, you seem to forget that the security situation in Afghanistan has deteriorated and the Taliban are in total control of the country. We have a force of less than 1,000 soldiers out there, the Taliban have supposedly 200,000.

What are we going to do, say no we aren't ready to leave yet so come near us and we'll shoot you? We got caught with our pants down basically and expected the Afghan army to fight back and give us time to leave.

We haven't even got control of the airport, Kabul Airport is currently under amnesty control which means we are only there because the Taliban have allowed us to be there. Who knows how much we are paying them for that. The Americans supposedly have paid the Taliban big sums for that privilege.

That amnesty will eventually end and any foreign force or person on the ground in Afghanistan becomes a target. Don't forget that the interpreters and similar who worked with us in the war were working against the Taliban. What do you reckon will happen to them?

This is why processing visa applications and getting eligible people out of there is an urgent priority. The British ambassador to Afghanistan is apparently still in the country helping to get people out.

 

[Vic]

Here's one view on how the Taliban learned from Johnson...

The Taliban held a press conference and told some lies. I wonder where that idea came from? | The Independent

 

[Blue Mist]

All those scoring points by attacking Johnson and his government should explain to the rest of us what we could or should have done differently.
Once Trump signed the deal to withdraw and one Biden executed it there was little we could have done, apart from withdrawing earlier !
The yanks ran the show, we were just puppets.

 

[kaz7]

All those scoring points by attacking Johnson and his government should explain to the rest of us what we could or should have done differently.
Once Trump signed the deal to withdraw and one Biden executed it there was little we could have done, apart from withdrawing earlier !
The yanks ran the show, we were just puppets.

We could have got people out months ago , biden extended the withdrawal from april to now , we had no plan obviously and why they didnt expected the local forces would collapse i dont know , they have been flakey from the start . The lack of exit organisation is a failure by us however you look at it, trump signed the deal more than a year ago at least

 

[mat]

Corbyn gets up to speak. Sky fuck him off so people don't get ideas...

Self edit: He's back towards the end of his speech.

 

[inbetween]

All those scoring points by attacking Johnson and his government should explain to the rest of us what we could or should have done differently.
Once Trump signed the deal to withdraw and one Biden executed it there was little we could have done, apart from withdrawing earlier !
The yanks ran the show, we were just puppets.

Nothing has actually changed, we were always going to leave gradually. They just didn't expect the Taliban to gain ground so quickly. Boris made a statement only a month ago that the Taliban will not win the country militarily so he went on his holiday and never cared less about the changing situation.

This sort of thing is happening a lot and it makes me wonder what our governments or even the civil service are actually doing? Anyone in charge with a finger on the pulse would see the Taliban moving through the region and indeed pull people out quicker. Instead it seems the government was busy doing other things or busy doing nothing which is what I think is happening.

If this had been about selling PPE or NHS app contracts to their mates then it'd be far different...

 

[mat]

All those scoring points by attacking Johnson and his government should explain to the rest of us what we could or should have done differently.
Once Trump signed the deal to withdraw and one Biden executed it there was little we could have done, apart from withdrawing earlier !
The yanks ran the show, we were just puppets.

We're more pissed that that Johnson and Rabb decided their holidays for more important than this debate and had to be dragged back to parliament to discuss it.

It's gonna be a fucked up world of the Taliban do uphold their agreement with trump this showing them more trust worthy than the cunts we have in parliament.

 

[mat]

 

[JASR]

We could have got people out months ago , biden extended the withdrawal from april to now , we had no plan obviously and why they didnt expected the local forces would collapse i dont know , they have been flakey from the start . The lack of exit organisation is a failure by us however you look at it, trump signed the deal more than a year ago at least

Lack of entry plan
Lack of continuation plan
Lack of exit plan

deja vu Iraq

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Nothing has actually changed, we were always going to leave gradually. They just didn't expect the Taliban to gain ground so quickly. Boris made a statement only a month ago that the Taliban will not win the country militarily so he went on his holiday and never cared less about the changing situation.

This sort of thing is happening a lot and it makes me wonder what our governments or even the civil service are actually doing? Anyone in charge with a finger on the pulse would see the Taliban moving through the region and indeed pull people out quicker. Instead it seems the government was busy doing other things or busy doing nothing which is what I think is happening.

If this had been about selling PPE or NHS app contracts to their mates then it'd be far different...

That seems to me to be an unarguable contention too - did we have no intelligence that was even remotely accurate?

They've had months to sort something out and are now scrambling and inventing plans off the cuff - all those people they knew about needing to get out but there doesn't appear to be any serious plan to do so, despite knowing the withdrawal date for ages.

I see the military side as being a separate matter.

 

[kaz7]

Lack of entry plan
Lack of continuation plan
Lack of exit plan

deja vu Iraq

We are nothing if not predictable

 

[MillionMilesAway]

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They've agreed to take Liz Truss off our hands? Wow, what did we offer them?

 

[Vic]

Starmer is taking Bodger Johnson to the cleaners in the HoC at the moment.

"The only time he visited Afghanistan as foreign secretary was to avoid a vote on Heathrow." Ouch.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

I'm intrigued as well.

Might just be Tory K spinning it with a Boris soundbite.

Front bench is getting a kicking, even off its own veteran MPs.

Good to see there is still some integrity in the place. Lots of shaking of heads and confused looks when Johnson decided to lie to parliament, again.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Was Johnson's only argument that the UK should prioritise enabling people to live in Afghanistan rather than here?

That does seem to wilfully ignore the fact that being there will make a lot of them dead or hugely restricted in activity.

 

[kaz7]

Was Johnson's only argument that the UK should prioritise enabling people to live in Afghanistan rather than here?

That does seem to wilfully ignore the fact that being there will make a lot of them dead or hugely restricted in activity.

he is shit in a crisis , how is he still in a job