"Ageing city running out of time"

jimmygrimblesboots said:
this team has at least 2 more seasons together , and if we can spend £100m within FFP rules over the next 2 seasons , we will refresh and strengthen our squad , so i dont agree with neville , and we have every chance of winning the champs league this season , a last minute defeat in our hardest group fixture , is hardly the kiss of death.

I don`t think he`s saying that.If you look back to two years ago,we all took the piss out of the Rags and rightly so.They were an ageing team,something that most Blues could see.
But a certain "Sir" thought otherwise,due to his "..." word it how you want.
I am of the opinion that our "two Amigos" have the for sight and nous to realise that we need to replace certain players over the next 18/24 months and quickly.
I truly trust both men.
 
Thoughtful, and thought provoking article.

That said, I think the "now or never" argument is overplayed, especially when considering City have three aging stop-gap players in their CL squad, and that squad has been restricted from including 4 players who would otherwise have brought that average down considerably.

Sagna, MDM and Lampard are experienced CL players (like Scholes, Neville and Butt once were!) who are just passing through this team.

In addition, while I enjoyed his analysis of the "pairs" that can't work together, I think it ignores the most relevant issue.....strength and drive.

In the top teams, there are no players who only play in one direction. Rather, they are strong in defence AND on the attack, and what I call "DYNAMIC" players.

In Silva and Nasri, we have two players who are 9/10 going forward and about 4 or 5/10 when asked to defend. That is simply not good enough for EITHER player, but when you play them both, you are asking for trouble against the strongest teams that have strong, two way players in the wide midfield roles. In contrast, look at the work that is being done by Sanchez at Arsenal, and he is considered a far more significant offensive threat than either Silva or Nasri. Today, I'd trade Nasri for him without a second thought.

When looking at Yaya and Ferni, they are stupendous when they ANCHOR the midfield. The only problem comes when we are pressing the game with our (used to be United's) arc around the opposition 18 yard box and Yaya moves into his pivot role about 25 yards out. When that breaks down, not only are our two fullbacks usually in the opposition last third, but we simply do not have the THREE DEFENDERS FROM MIDFIELD (that teams like Chelsea have), and have to rely on Ferni (Ferna) to stop the counterattack, because after him it is only Vinny and MDM...and Joe.

As Vinny said in early season interviews, we play a risky game at times and, like Stoke at home, it can prove expensive. Given the quality in the team, we can't afford, nor should we need, to play that way. There is no reason to risk an extra player going forward given the attacking talent we have, especially when that extra defender can mean the difference between winning and drawing, drawing and losing.

To be honest, I'd be interested in what City would look like in a 3-5-1/5-3-1 set-up. I know Pelle seems married to the 4-4-2(ish) set-up, but with Zaba and Kola as the FBs, I think we could make this work for us. Regardless of what we do going forward, we need to be harder to attack and more solid in defence.

..................................... Hart
......................Kompany.............MDM/EM
...........Zaba...........Yaya.............Ferni.........Kolarov
..................Navas...........Milner..........Silva
..................................Aguero

And, one more thing....sooner or later, a team is going shred the "we defend the 18 yd line" offside trap that has worked so well SO FAR. Bayern sprang it in the first minute, and Chelsea score a lot of goals by midfielders making that deep run through the defence. If we had tracking midfielders, we would be fine, but we don't!!!

Fingers and toes crossed for a brilliant win this Sunday. Wish I could be there, but I will be up at 1am in my Tokyo hotel room wearing my City shirt and cheering them on!!

COME ON CITY!!!
 
It is becoming a concern that I only noticed in a recent conversation when me and some friends discussed the ages of some of our players. Time goes fast and it doesn't seem long ago since we were signing 23/24 year old players like Kompany and Zaba in 2008!

I fear that this may be our last great season from Yaya, that's if he even gets himself right again, if not I'm afraid we may have already seen that season. I still firmly believe however that players like Hart, Kompany, Zaba, Silva, Aguero and Dzeko are in their peak years and it will be another few years before we start to see their decline.

The summer just gone hit us hard in my opinion, I think the club were desperate to comply with FFP freeing us from the restrictions of next summer. Whether this sacrifice comes with consequences is yet to be seen but I think Neville might be correct in saying that we may fall short of the level to win the league/CL this season, purely because of how our rivals have strengthened. I really hope I get proved wrong but it would take a huge effort to win one of the big trophies this season.

The last huge headliner signing from City in my opinion was Aguero. Three years ago, that is a long time in football! Next summer when the FFP restrictions have gone we need to hit the big time. I believe young players like Reus and Pogba will become available and we need to start building for the next era by going all out for these types of players.

We are lucky to be in the position that we are as a football club, everyone knows about the new academy & training facilities and of course the money courtesy of Sheikh Mansour. But we also need to consider ourselves lucky to have the correct people in charge of our football club, Ferran Soriano who turned Barcelona into the money making machine they are nowadays and Txiki Begiristain who helped Pep Guardiola put together that magnificent Barca team from 2008-2011.

Great football teams unfortunately cannot last forever and for some clubs it takes longer than others to rebuild and get another great team again. Sadly it looks like we may start to see the dismantling of our first successful modern team in the next couple of years, but City have the foundations now to prepare for the next City, the Champions League winning City. It's only just begun Blues...
 
Great article by Neville.Next transfer window,we have to buy a few young replacements for the current crop of players and try to integrate them with the first team squad.The transition must happen starting from the next window.I would like to see a pogba/ barkley kind of player,reus/ isco,ricardo rodriguez etc coming in to the team next season.And also what is the use of academy if we are not planning to give any chance at all for them with the first team,i know the league has become extremely competitive and all that,but still there are enough games where the young players ought to be given a chance so that they can prove their worth.Also would love to welcome back marco lopes and zuculini too the next season,about the latter is he getting any game time at valencia?.
 
The cheeky c*nt, shameful how many blues dance to that red b•stards tune .

Ageing squad? Do me favour! And, how precisely does he get to that average age?

I seem to recall the rags had a player who retired only last year who was touching 40 and then they had scholes, Neville himself who played on into their mid thirties.

How has one of the worlds best midfielders in yaya suddenly only become suitable as an attacking midfielder?

If you want square pegs in round holes it's not the etihad you need to look at its old Trafford.

Our players have got 6/7 years left in the game, plenty of time to find replacements when needed and time to let our academy bear fruit.

In case he hadn't noticed the rags only won the champions league twice under Alex ferguson in 22 years and even when they won it the first time they were outclassed by non other than Bayern Munich.

It's no shame not winning the champions league particularly when there are teams that still consistently out spend us.

Rag Neville should worry more about the imbalance of his rag team, we're just fine and have built a carefully considered and balanced squad.
 
Blue Mooner said:
The cheeky c*nt, shameful how many blues dance to that red b•stards tune .

Ageing squad? Do me favour! And, how precisely does he get to that average age?

I seem to recall the rags had a player who retired only last year who was touching 40 and then they had scholes, Neville himself who played on into their mid thirties.

How has one of the worlds best midfielders in yaya suddenly only become suitable as an attacking midfielder?

If you want square pegs in round holes it's not the etihad you need to look at its old Trafford.

Our players have got 6/7 years left in the game, plenty of time to find replacements when needed and time to let our academy bear fruit.

In case he hadn't noticed the rags only won the champions league twice under Alex ferguson in 22 years and even when they won it the first time they were outclassed by non other than Bayern Munich.

It's no shame not winning the champions league particularly when there are teams that still consistently out spend us.

Rag Neville should worry more about the imbalance of his rag team, we're just fine and have built a carefully considered and balanced squad.
If Neville's everything you believe him to be, it's you who's dancing to his tune.
 
What we really need is a fully fit squad to play together for a full season , to finally instigate the managers plans. I've never known so many recurring injuries to so many vital squad members. We could have achieved so much more already, blown the rest out of the water last season, progressed much further in the chimps league.
 
Got to take what any Neville says with a pinch of salt.

Age is irrelevant. It is simply a matter if they are good enough and want to win more over the next 3-4 years. All teams have players getting towards the end of their careers at a club. How old is Van Persie and Rooney is only a few (2-3) years away from probably finishing at Utd.

Funny he never said anything about age a couple of seasons ago when Utd had Scholes, Giggs and Carrick in midfield

You know what I think is the real problem these days though, there are definitely not enough ex Man Utd players (or ex players who are Man Utd supporters or journalists who support Man Utd ) acting as pundits or working for the media. After all we only have the likes of

Gary Neville
Phil Neville
Rio Ferdinand
Paul Scholes
Dwight Yorke
Peter Schmeichel
Lou Macari
Dion Dublin
Alan Brazil
Rene 'Muller corner'

Matt Holland
Des Kelly
Mark Ogden

not to mention ex Utd players who are now managers (Bruce, Keane, Strachan, Solksjaer, Hughes)

giving their 2 penneth on any given day hence such a scarcity of Man Utd drivel anywhere !
 
City1974 said:
Got to take what any Neville says with a pinch of salt.

Age is irrelevant. It is simply a matter if they are good enough and want to win more over the next 3-4 years. All teams have players getting towards the end of their careers at a club. How old is Van Persie and Rooney is only a few (2-3) years away from probably finishing at Utd.

Funny he never said anything about age a couple of seasons ago when Utd had Scholes, Giggs and Carrick in midfield

You know what I think is the real problem these days though, there are definitely not enough ex Man Utd players (or ex players who are Man Utd supporters or journalists who support Man Utd ) acting as pundits or working for the media. After all we only have the likes of

Gary Neville
Phil Neville
Rio Ferdinand
Paul Scholes
Dwight Yorke
Peter Schmeichel
Lou Macari
Dion Dublin
Alan Brazil
Rene 'Muller corner'

Matt Holland
Des Kelly
Mark Ogden

not to mention ex Utd players who are now managers (Bruce, Keane, Strachan, Solksjaer, Hughes)

giving their 2 penneth on any given day hence such a scarcity of Man Utd drivel anywhere !

Don't forget Bosnich
 
higgi1p said:
City1974 said:
Got to take what any Neville says with a pinch of salt.

Age is irrelevant. It is simply a matter if they are good enough and want to win more over the next 3-4 years. All teams have players getting towards the end of their careers at a club. How old is Van Persie and Rooney is only a few (2-3) years away from probably finishing at Utd.

Funny he never said anything about age a couple of seasons ago when Utd had Scholes, Giggs and Carrick in midfield

You know what I think is the real problem these days though, there are definitely not enough ex Man Utd players (or ex players who are Man Utd supporters or journalists who support Man Utd ) acting as pundits or working for the media. After all we only have the likes of

Gary Neville
Phil Neville
Rio Ferdinand
Paul Scholes
Dwight Yorke
Peter Schmeichel
Lou Macari
Dion Dublin
Alan Brazil
Rene 'Muller corner'

Matt Holland
Des Kelly
Mark Ogden

not to mention ex Utd players who are now managers (Bruce, Keane, Strachan, Solksjaer, Hughes)

giving their 2 penneth on any given day hence such a scarcity of Man Utd drivel anywhere !

Don't forget Bosnich

You're also forgetting Ferdinand vidic and evra who are all mid thirties when they left, don't recall the 'time is now' boll*x written about their squad 6 years before that. In fact in those 6 years they probably won the league three times.

There is not one team in the premier league that wouldn't have yaya in their side.
 

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