Aguero's penalty

[6one]

Re: Agueros penalty

If the rules are so clear and it's Aguero's goal then why is it currently down as an O.G?

Because the media outlets have no clue about the laws of the game.

C.f. Offside, last man, 2.5 years and Januzaj's English etc...

It's not the media who decide what to mark it down as.

Everyone has acknowledged that history more than likely dictates he will be given the goal by the independent panel, but the 'rules' dictate it's an O.G.

You're ignorance, or just blue tinted view to this, is odd. But given your recent posts maybe it isn't.

The rules say it's Aguero's goal.

It's not blue-tinted. It's facts.

It is the media who decide what to mark it down as on their captions on the television and in the match reports in the papers and for the club's to decide. (interestingly chris bailey doesn't know the rules either)

 

[pudge]

Re: Agueros penalty

Because the media outlets have no clue about the laws of the game.

C.f. Offside, last man, 2.5 years and Januzaj's English etc...

It's not the media who decide what to mark it down as.

Everyone has acknowledged that history more than likely dictates he will be given the goal by the independent panel, but the 'rules' dictate it's an O.G.

You're ignorance, or just blue tinted view to this, is odd. But given your recent posts maybe it isn't.

The rules say it's Aguero's goal.

It's not blue-tinted. It's facts.

It is the media who decide what to mark it down as on their captions on the television and in the match reports in the papers and for the club's to decide. (interestingly chris bailey doesn't know the rules either)

Ok then

 

[Bibinho]

Re: Agueros penalty

agueros stats from the FF website

Penalties missed: 1 Points -2
Assists: 1 Points 3
Minutes played: 78 Points 2
Goals scored: 1 Points 4
Total: 7

its not been given, lets move on

 

[daxman]

Re: Agueros penalty

What I'm curious about is how is Negredo's goal different? And by this I mean what technical detail makes one an OG and not the other.
It looks like Negredo is passing the ball to Aguero and it was not goal bound without Howard's interference. Sergio would have scored anyway so Howard had no choice but to react.
Is it that there was a rebound off the post in one case but not the other?

I think it is debatable that Negredo was attempting to pass to Aguero. At no point did he look up, and by the time he got to the ball, Howard was already down near his feet. So he tried to slide it passed him, but Howard got something on it. Even if this were debatable, the fact that it isn't clear whether the ball was going in or not when he hit it, makes it his goal. As you lean towards it being the strikers goal. In Aguero's case, it was clear the ball wasn't going in. And there in lies the difference.

Like Pudge said, they might end up awarding it to Aguero. But it is clearly an own goal under the rule.

 

[Matty]

Re: Agueros penalty

Because the media outlets have no clue about the laws of the game.

C.f. Offside, last man, 2.5 years and Januzaj's English etc...

It's not the media who decide what to mark it down as.

Everyone has acknowledged that history more than likely dictates he will be given the goal by the independent panel, but the 'rules' dictate it's an O.G.

You're ignorance, or just blue tinted view to this, is odd. But given your recent posts maybe it isn't.

The rules say it's Aguero's goal.

It's not blue-tinted. It's facts.

It is the media who decide what to mark it down as on their captions on the television and in the match reports in the papers and for the club's to decide. (interestingly chris bailey doesn't know the rules either)

That's the second time you've made that statement, and you're as wrong now as you were the first time.

http://www.premierleague.com/conten...014/epl.match-report.html/man-city-vs-everton

Here's the match page for the City v Everton game from the Officla Premeir League website. This isn't the independent media, it's the actual website from the league. Take a look at who scored City's third goal. Tim Howard (O.G). The people who run the competition that Aguero actually took the penalty in believe it was an own goal.

As I said earlier in the thread, I spoke to an actualy qualified referee about the issue and he made it very clear, once the ball ceased it's journey towards the goal (when it started to come back, away from the goal, off the post) the initial shot is deemed to have finished, after this the ball hit Howard, changed direction again, and went into the goal, therefore an own goal. It doesn't matter how many times you state "the rules say it's Aguero's goal" and "that's a fact", it doesn't make you right. The rules do not say it is Aguero's goal, and it most certainly is not a fact. If the rules were as clear as you seem to think they are then the Premier League would have credited Aguero with the goal, and referees, with the ability to consider the incident in depth after the fact, and consult the FA's rulebook, would credit it to Aguero too. They haven't.

 

[hgblue]

Re: Agueros penalty

It's not the media who decide what to mark it down as.

Everyone has acknowledged that history more than likely dictates he will be given the goal by the independent panel, but the 'rules' dictate it's an O.G.

You're ignorance, or just blue tinted view to this, is odd. But given your recent posts maybe it isn't.

The rules say it's Aguero's goal.

It's not blue-tinted. It's facts.

It is the media who decide what to mark it down as on their captions on the television and in the match reports in the papers and for the club's to decide. (interestingly chris bailey doesn't know the rules either)

That's the second time you've made that statement, and you're as wrong now as you were the first time.

http://www.premierleague.com/conten...014/epl.match-report.html/man-city-vs-everton

Here's the match page for the City v Everton game from the Officla Premeir League website. This isn't the independent media, it's the actual website from the league. Take a look at who scored City's third goal. Tim Howard (O.G). The people who run the competition that Aguero actually took the penalty in believe it was an own goal.

As I said earlier in the thread, I spoke to an actualy qualified referee about the issue and he made it very clear, once the ball ceased it's journey towards the goal (when it srated to come back, away from the goal, off the post) the initial shot is deemed to have finished, after this the ball hit Howard, changed direction again, and went into the goal, therefore an own goal. It doesn't matter how many times you state "the rules say it's Aguero's goal" and "that's a fact", it doesn't make you right. The rules do not said it is Aguero's goal, and it most certainly is not a fact. If the rules were as clear as you seem to think they are then the Premier League would have credited Aguero with the goal, and referees, with the ability to consider the incident in depth after the fact, and consult the FA's rulebook, would credit it to Aguero too. They haven't.

So if the ball hadn't hit Howard but had spun back into the net without anyone touching it, he would have been deemed to have saved it?

 

[Bluesiam]

Re: Agueros penalty

It's because the ball was saved onto the post, then came back out and hit Howard. Unfortunately has to go down as an own goal, because it wouldn't have gone in if it hadnt hit Howard again.

It's a BS call in my book.

Given the spin on the ball it quite likely WOULD have gone in if Howard didn't head it back in and anyway, it's very unfair for Howard to be credited with an OG.

 

[Matty]

Re: Agueros penalty

The rules say it's Aguero's goal.

It's not blue-tinted. It's facts.

It is the media who decide what to mark it down as on their captions on the television and in the match reports in the papers and for the club's to decide. (interestingly chris bailey doesn't know the rules either)

That's the second time you've made that statement, and you're as wrong now as you were the first time.

http://www.premierleague.com/conten...014/epl.match-report.html/man-city-vs-everton

Here's the match page for the City v Everton game from the Officla Premeir League website. This isn't the independent media, it's the actual website from the league. Take a look at who scored City's third goal. Tim Howard (O.G). The people who run the competition that Aguero actually took the penalty in believe it was an own goal.

As I said earlier in the thread, I spoke to an actualy qualified referee about the issue and he made it very clear, once the ball ceased it's journey towards the goal (when it srated to come back, away from the goal, off the post) the initial shot is deemed to have finished, after this the ball hit Howard, changed direction again, and went into the goal, therefore an own goal. It doesn't matter how many times you state "the rules say it's Aguero's goal" and "that's a fact", it doesn't make you right. The rules do not said it is Aguero's goal, and it most certainly is not a fact. If the rules were as clear as you seem to think they are then the Premier League would have credited Aguero with the goal, and referees, with the ability to consider the incident in depth after the fact, and consult the FA's rulebook, would credit it to Aguero too. They haven't.

So if the ball hadn't hit Howard but had spun back into the net without anyone touching it, he would have been deemed to have saved it?

No, because the ball, without any external influence, would have ended up in the goal, so wouldn't have actually "ceased" it's journey towards the goal. I suppose, if you are being pedantic, it could be argued that we don't know what the ball would have done had Howard not been there for it to hit him. Maybe it would have spun into the goal, but, firstly, we all know that simply wouldn't have happened, the ball didn't have any weird spin on it, and secondly, the Howard WAS there for the ball to hit, so it's irrelevant anyway.<br /><br />-- Tue Oct 08, 2013 3:47 pm --<br /><br />

It's because the ball was saved onto the post, then came back out and hit Howard. Unfortunately has to go down as an own goal, because it wouldn't have gone in if it hadnt hit Howard again.

It's a BS call in my book.

Given the spin on the ball it quite likely WOULD have gone in if Howard didn't head it back in and anyway, it's very unfair for Howard to be credited with an OG.

Sorry, but that's just not true. Look at the direction, and the pace, at which the ball was coming back off the post. There was never any chance that the ball was going to go anywhere but away from the net.

 

[Nelly's Left Foot]

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[Carver]

Firstly there is no rule, or law of the game on who is the goal scorer and the law has not been changed in the close season.
The laws are not concerned with who has scored, they are concerned with 'if and when' a goal is scored.

When is a penalty over, it's simple.... The referee decides.

Laws have been changed to reflect the use of Goal Line Technology, i.e. the goal frame, the ball, testing it by the ref and ways that the referee knows it's a goal.
The number of substitutes allowed in a competition must be declared by the organisers.
There are changes to the offside law gaining an advantage rule (that's why Everton were offside when they were obstructing Hart's vision.. yes the word obstructing is back in).
There are also changes to the way Extra Assistant Referees are used, who should be the new ref if the ref is injured and a load more nonsense about a bloke with a stick stood on the goal line doing nothing.

Secondly
I've found this article from 1997, my PC is not displaying a graphic, you want the scenario in figure 6 about 80% of the way to the bottom of the page.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.fifa.com/newscentre/news/newsid=71928/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.fifa.com/newscentre/news/new ... index.html</a>

Now, don't forget, this is 16 years old, the allocation would be as follows:
It's an own goal because Tim Howard deliberately intervened. This means that he either dived and tipped it onto the post (which he did) or dived at it and missed the ball which hit the post (attempted to intervene). Then as he deliberately played the ball and it ricocheted off him into the goal it's an o.g. If he stood there without attempting to save it and the same thing happened it would have been an Aguero goal.

I couldn't find any rules that decide who the goal scorer is. There obviously must be some somewhere simply to satisfy betting regulations.

Clear as mud.