Alexandole Boris de Pfeffel Johnson

Bodicoteblue said:
Even the historical darling of the right , thatcher, knew the importance of the SM and how it was essential for economic growth.
If I remember rightly she was instrumental in its design.
Then the ludicrous gammon brexiters vote in a woman who wants to look and sound like her (and their) heroine, but actually has a polar opposite view on their favourite subject - Europe.
You really can fool some of the people all of the time.
This could be proved if they really are dumb enough to re-install the lying fraud depfeffel.
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Thatcher also spent years preparing for her big taxcut budget rather than just chucking it out without any published assessment.
Truss, not so much.
 
Trevor Noah showing the Americans what a joke Johnson is - I cannot stress enough that we have been reduced to a laughing stock - the Economist calls us Britaly now......

 
Didsbury Dave said:
As an aside that 4% figure winds me up. Your uneducated man in the street things that 4% is a small, even insignificant amount whereas the truth is that it’s the difference between a booming economy and a recession. Truss was targeting 2% growth as some sort of triumph to be focussed on and targeted.
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I tend to view that a significant majority of GDP is set - 60% or 70% probably. It can't drop below that as there is always going to be a base level.

The policies and world conditions affect only what is left, so 4% is 4/40 or 4/30 - in reality 10% or 12% of the variable zone.
Assume it can't be above 90% in most conditions and the 4% is of an overall block, not of the bit that actually can vary.

It's a bit like the increase of NI being 1% of salary (or whatever). It's actually about a 10% rise in NI per se, not the 1% rise in NI that it can sound like.
 
Don't shoot the messenger, and I won't reveal my source, but a mate that's told me things in the past has just text me saying Boris has hired a white horse and a smoke machine for late next week
 
threespires said:
QT was from Cheltenham last night and the anger from the vast majority of the audience was palpable in a way that you just don't normally see on that programme. The 'bring back Johnson' view was limited to a handful of gilet wearing wums. The overwhelming desire was for a GE.

Whoever wins the contest would never go to the country because they would know they will be wiped out in a way that makes '97 look like a close run thing.

So the issue is it looks like a tiny proportion of the population who aren't even remotely representative of the country will once again get to choose our PM and whatever they choose to do the people will be expected to suck it up. The argument that they have a mandate because of the last election doesn't wash because we've seen they have no intention or desire to honour parliamentary norms let alone things like manifesto commitments and have shown themselves to be highly susceptible to manipulation by the extremist wing of their party.

If it's someone like Sunak with sufficient backing from the less lunatic elements of the party then it'll be about steadying the ship and finding a way to dilute the anger and limit their losses in two years time. But if it's Johnson all bets are off because I think there's pretty much nothing he won't do to attempt to retain power. At that point we do, as GDM said, risk serious civil disorder.

So the choice is being impoverished by arguably the least incompetent of them or goodness knows what under Johnson.

The only way out of this that doesn't end in a really ugly fashion is if 40, or whatever is the number, Conservative MPs find their moral compass and do the right thing by joining the opposition in a no confidence vote. Sadly that seems like a long shot based on past behaviour (maybe more likely if it's Johnson or another ERGer that they choose) but it's our best hope of avoiding turning the country from a metaphorical dumpster fire into one that is literally burning.

Scary times ahead unless we can find 15% or so of Conservative MPs to put country before party/self.
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Threespires
scary indeed. For most Tory‘s who will vote there will be zero consideration of the country. It’s all about self preservation and the chance to ride the ego busting gravy train for as long as possible. Many will see Bozo as their best chance to take a cabinet place or keep their seat.
Under the MPs there are far too many gammons who have been featured on the news or radio in the last 24 hours who would welcome him back because he has a personality and basically is a laugh and he ‘got Brexit done and faught the pandemic.’
The fact he lied, cheated, robbed etc is just forgotten. I don’t understand how people can be so stupid.
What a country.
 
BeerIsTheBest said:
Threespires
scary indeed. For most Tory‘s who will vote there will be zero consideration of the country. It’s all about self preservation and the chance to ride the ego busting gravy train for as long as possible. Many will see Bozo as their best chance to take a cabinet place or keep their seat.
Under the MPs there are far too many gammons who have been featured on the news or radio in the last 24 hours who would welcome him back because he has a personality and basically is a laugh and he ‘got Brexit done and faught the pandemic.’
The fact he lied, cheated, robbed etc is just forgotten. I don’t understand how people can be so stupid.
What a country.
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He could be found guilty of misleading parliament and therefore lose his seat. It would be just another fine example of the Tory party conduct if they vote him in again, he claims he's learnt from his mistakes and deserves a second chance, and then is found guilty of breaching the ministerial code so removed as PM and as an MP. I can't see how he'll be found as anything but guilty - the opposition asked him repeatedly to answer allegations and he continually lied.
 
In an act of ultimate shithousery Johnson will not declare he is in the game until he gets the 100 supporters needed - its all about him and his ego - he cannot lose so if he doesn't get the 100 but doesn't declare as a runner then he hasn't lost has he? That's how his fickle me me me mind works
 
bluethrunthru said:
In an act of ultimate shithousery Johnson will not declare he is in the game until he gets the 100 supporters needed - its all about him and his ego - he cannot lose so if he doesn't get the 100 but doesn't declare as a runner then he hasn't lost has he? That's how his fickle me me me mind works
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True - but I honestly think numerous Tory movers and shakers will be having a word with him. His instinct is to grab the top job wile he can and enjoy the ride. He wont stop to think about how he forms a Cabinet given the last cabinet resigned on mass and he wont stop to think about the 100+ MPs that hate him with passion and will work against him from the off.

How do the tory rules re nominee letters work if he gets 100+ calling for a VONC on day 1. In theory I think the rules say he has 1 year from being elected but that applied to LT and she was told to go. Boris would just be a continuation of the chaos - the only difference being he is more equipped to deal with it. But the majority of the MPs want to end the chaos.
 
It's outrageous that this is even being mentioned. If this **** gets back in then I think it could end up triggering a change to the democratic process in this country, it will really show it up as not being fit for purpose.

He's like the Terminator, he can't be killed. Or a troublesome giant turd that can't be flushed away no matter how hard you try.
 
supercity88 said:
He could be found guilty of misleading parliament and therefore lose his seat. It would be just another fine example of the Tory party conduct if they vote him in again, he claims he's learnt from his mistakes and deserves a second chance, and then is found guilty of breaching the ministerial code so removed as PM and as an MP. I can't see how he'll be found as anything but guilty - the opposition asked him repeatedly to answer allegations and he continually lied.
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Supercity
you are correct but the investigation timeline is at odds with the quicky Tory election

I guess they will have a good idea already whether Bozo will be found guilty. The constitution of the investigative committee favours the Tories - see the detail via the link below.

Whichever way you view Bozo and the Tories this is a massive practical joke at the expense of many folk who simply despair at the daily descent into farce.

I’ve got Dutch relations and they cannot believe what is going on. They aren’t gloating they just cannot understand how a country with such a deep tradition of sensible democracy and trade can fuck itself over.


www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk

Privileges Committee investigation into Boris Johnson | Institute for Government

How the investigation into Boris Johnson worked and what it found.
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