I suppose it’ll depend on who is, or how many are, tarnished by these events. My tory MP is a first termer and seems okay actually. On record criticising the government for example. Starmer only arrived in 2015 so I don’t see a reason why newbies can’t rise quickly. And over 60 isn’t past it ;)

Tarnished is exactly the word I was looking for.

I was more thinking that anyone who's 60+ has either had a go at ministerial office or has no real interest in doing so.

The first termers would be a concern about knowing how things operate and getting a grip of things; much of that will be down to the person and their background - Starmer at least would have known a lot about how govt operates. The media scrutiny, disgruntled MPs carping about them, the longer hours away may not be something they'd expected so quickly.

I do think that the most important factor will be who has the power behind the party and whether they think a change is better than what they have.
 
And this is why the whole Nasty Party are bigging up her 'integrity'.
She’s a Civil Servant, not the hanging judge, so I’ve never understood what people were expecting from her report. The most damaging thing will be what she says about the prevailing culture. It’s becoming clear that Number 10 plays hard but parties harder, yet that culture looks simply awful when the media can roll out countless grieving families and can now use images of the Queen, sat alone and following the rules, to make the contrast even starker.

Tory MPs will be holding surgeries today and in their constituencies this weekend, so they’ll be back in Westminster next week with their ears burning and their shirts dripping with sweat. Nothing prompts action more than a sense of self-preservation.
 
She’s a Civil Servant, not the hanging judge, so I’ve never understood what people were expecting from her report. The most damaging thing will be what she says about the prevailing culture. It’s becoming clear that Number 10 plays hard but parties harder, yet that culture looks simply awful when the media can roll out countless grieving families and can now use images of the Queen, sat alone and following the rules, to make the contrast even starker.

Tory MPs will be holding surgeries today and in their constituencies this weekend, so they’ll be back in Westminster next week with their ears burning and their shirts dripping with sweat. Nothing prompts action more than a sense of self-preservation.

I expect the report to be fairly dry and addressing each gathering/party/work meeting/bring a suitcase session, who knew about it and who attended. Each will then have an opinion as to whether it broke the rules at the time. It may also include an assessment of any statements made about them as to whether ministers lied about them.

Not sure how much further she has a remit to go.
 
One question about all these parties they held. They were at the height of the pandemic, in lockdowns. Nobody had been vaccinated. So why did none of those attending fear actually catching Covid at these gatherings?

And no, I am not a 'it doesn't exist' theorist, just curious as to why they deemed it safe to mix?
 
One question about all these parties they held. They were at the height of the pandemic, in lockdowns. Nobody had been vaccinated. So why did none of those attending fear actually catching Covid at these gatherings?

And no, I am not a 'it doesn't exist' theorist, just curious as to why they deemed it safe to mix?
Was going to say they were a bit thick but in reality they were were likely to be predominantly younger people who made the judgement that if they caught it there was a less than 1% chance of it killing them which is decent odds for someone who is a risk taker. Bunch of arseholes taking their lead from the arsehole-in-chief.
 
One question about all these parties they held. They were at the height of the pandemic, in lockdowns. Nobody had been vaccinated. So why did none of those attending fear actually catching Covid at these gatherings?

And no, I am not a 'it doesn't exist' theorist, just curious as to why they deemed it safe to mix?

“Sticks and stones may break my bones but f*** it, I’m with Bupa”
 
She’s a Civil Servant, not the hanging judge, so I’ve never understood what people were expecting from her report. The most damaging thing will be what she says about the prevailing culture. It’s becoming clear that Number 10 plays hard but parties harder, yet that culture looks simply awful when the media can roll out countless grieving families and can now use images of the Queen, sat alone and following the rules, to make the contrast even starker.

Tory MPs will be holding surgeries today and in their constituencies this weekend, so they’ll be back in Westminster next week with their ears burning and their shirts dripping with sweat. Nothing prompts action more than a sense of self-preservation.
Play, work, party? There are too many at Westminster who seem to think these three words are synonyms..
 
One question about all these parties they held. They were at the height of the pandemic, in lockdowns. Nobody had been vaccinated. So why did none of those attending fear actually catching Covid at these gatherings?

And no, I am not a 'it doesn't exist' theorist, just curious as to why they deemed it safe to mix?

Only a few months later Boris was in hospital gasping for air. They never took this serious from day 1 and it shows.
 
She’s a Civil Servant, not the hanging judge, so I’ve never understood what people were expecting from her report. The most damaging thing will be what she says about the prevailing culture. It’s becoming clear that Number 10 plays hard but parties harder, yet that culture looks simply awful when the media can roll out countless grieving families and can now use images of the Queen, sat alone and following the rules, to make the contrast even starker.

Tory MPs will be holding surgeries today and in their constituencies this weekend, so they’ll be back in Westminster next week with their ears burning and their shirts dripping with sweat. Nothing prompts action more than a sense of self-preservation.
There is also the conflict of interest in the Johnson is her boss and he will get to scrutinise and edit the report as he did with the structural racism report. Don't expect anything other than a total whitewash of events.

But as Oakshott (someone I loathe) said on question time last night it doesn't matter what Sue Grey says the trial as already happened and been decided by the public he is guilty, guilty, guilty and he should resign right now. Clearly not something I or many other were expecting .
 
There is also the conflict of interest in the Johnson is her boss and he will get to scrutinise and edit the report as he did with the structural racism report. Don't expect anything other than a total whitewash of events.

But as Oakshott (someone I loathe) said on question time last night it doesn't matter what Sue Grey says the trial as already happened and been decided by the public he is guilty, guilty, guilty and he should resign right now. Clearly not something I or many other were expecting .

Grey will resign if the report is changed - that will be difficult to defend in Parliament.

Losing Oakeshott and Bridgen on the same day is a mite careless.
 

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