Alexandole Boris de Pfeffel Johnson

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Difficult to say whether he was corrupted or not, I just think people like him and Osborne find it hard to empathise with the poor and working class because they don't exist in their worlds which is why we got the tax-cuts at the same time as the welfare cuts. Unlike the Labour party at the minute, I actually agreed with Cameron that the deficit needed to be eliminated but the way he went about it was heartless at best. Even though she's not got Cameron's spin, I have a lot more respect for May because she's not from that world and seems to have more compassion which is why she's hated in her party. Surprised you're not a fan, you've always struck me as a left-wing Tory tbh.

If I’m being honest, I think my mild regard for Cameron in the terms I’ve expressed it is based on the fact that he was a social liberal, whereas May is not, certainly by instinct. I know she’s ostensibly moderated her views on gay marriage, but the fact she ever opposed it at all speaks volumes about her outlook imo. That informs my views about them both more than which respective school they went to. You talk about May not being from Cameron’s world, and whilst that’s indisputedly true, the rural, petty-bourgeois, son of a clergyman world she grew up in is not one I am at all drawn to, or feel any connection to.

So your analysis of my political leanings possibly has a ring of truth to it (although I think of myself more as a [slightly] right-wing liberal) but equally I’ve never voted Tory, because of the socially-illiberal, narrow minded instincts of so many of its members and a significant proportion of its politicians, of which I believe May, by instinct at least, is one. It was this grouping that applied the pressure to Cameron to call the referendum and is therefore ultimately responsible for the mess we find ourselves in. They are certainly the sub-division of mainstream political thought who turn my stomach the most, and (notwithstanding her views on Brexit at the time) I feel this is May’s hinterland. She’s simply not my kind of person and this (I guess) feeds into my general outlook about her.

Plus, I am especially inimical to people who lack bottle (not just in a political context). Even in people I don’t like, having a pair of bollocks (metaphorically speaking) is something I greatly admire. May is not someone who possess that. Her cowardice over the PM TV debate disgusted me - and still does.

 

[Fame Monster]

If I’m being honest, I think my mild regard for Cameron in the terms I’ve expressed it is based on the fact that he was a social liberal, whereas May is not, certainly by instinct. I know she’s ostensibly moderated her views on gay marriage, but the fact she ever opposed it at all speaks volumes about her outlook imo. That informs my views about them both more than which respective school they went to. You talk about May not being from Cameron’s world, and whilst that’s indisputedly true, the rural, petty-bourgeois, son of a clergyman world she grew up in is not one I am at all drawn to, or feel any connection to.

So your analysis of my political leanings possibly has a ring of truth to it (although I think of myself more as a [slightly] right-wing liberal) but equally I’ve never voted Tory, because of the socially-illiberal, narrow minded instincts of so many of its members and a significant proportion of its politicians, of which I believe May, by instinct at least, is one. It was this grouping that applied the pressure to Cameron to call the referendum and is therefore ultimately responsible for the mess we find ourselves in. They are certainly the sub-division of mainstream political thought who turn my stomach the most, and (notwithstanding her views on Brexit at the time) I feel this is May’s hinterland. She’s simply not my kind of person and this (I guess) feeds into my general outlook about her.

Plus, I am especially inimical to people who lack bottle (not just in a political context). Even in people I don’t like, having a pair of bollocks (metaphorically speaking) is something I greatly admire. May is not someone who possess that. Her cowardice over the PM TV debate disgusted me - and still does.

Hmm I don’t agree that Cameron was a social liberal. He voted time and time again in support of anti-gay measures (like May did once) and the only reason he changed his mind in power was because he was in coalition with the Lib Dems. Like May, he supports overturning the fox hunting ban (depends on your definition of liberal) and brought in an opt-in ban on porn, as well as campaigning for companies to ban clothing he viewed to sexualise under-age children (sometimes right but not a liberal position). I agree that May’s probably not a social liberal either but Cameron is definitely cut from the same cloth.

I agree that May’s a poor public speaker and doesn’t have Blair and Cameron’s spin or confidence but for me, that’s low down on my list of what I want from a Prime Minister. Clement Attlee arguably had them same deficiencies but will probably go down as one of the greatest PMs ever.

 

[Daz_Blue]

 

[blueinsa]

I laughed lol.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Hmm I don’t agree that Cameron was a social liberal. He voted time and time again in support of anti-gay measures (like May did once) and the only reason he changed his mind in power was because he was in coalition with the Lib Dems. Like May, he supports overturning the fox hunting ban (depends on your definition of liberal) and brought in an opt-in ban on porn, as well as campaigning for companies to ban clothing he viewed to sexualise under-age children (sometimes right but not a liberal position). I agree that May’s probably not a social liberal either but Cameron is definitely cut from the same cloth.

I agree that May’s a poor public speaker and doesn’t have Blair and Cameron’s spin or confidence but for me, that’s low down on my list of what I want from a Prime Minister. Clement Attlee arguably had them same deficiencies but will probably go down as one of the greatest PMs ever.

Certainly wasn’t aware of the previous voting record to which you refer, which certainly undermines my view of him being instinctively socially liberal. Again, I wasn’t aware of his stance on fox hunting. I’m against fox hunting myself, which (arguably) is contrary to my liberal perspective; as you’ve indicated, it’s a complicated subject in the context of where liberality lies. Didn’t have a problem with the children’s clothing policy. Less so, the porn opt out. That said, I certainly don’t agree that the coalition would have been the only reason he voted for gay marriage.

I thought Atlee would have been a bit posh for you.

 

[Ban-jani]

What is that respect based on?

Not much at all, she’s just not a cretin like Johnson.

 

[mackenzie]

Certainly wasn’t aware of the previous voting record to which you refer, which certainly undermines my view of him being instinctively socially liberal. Again, I wasn’t aware of his stance on fox hunting. I’m against fox hunting myself, which (arguably) is contrary to my liberal perspective; as you’ve indicated, it’s a complicated subject in the context of where liberality lies. Didn’t have a problem with the children’s clothing policy. Less so, the porn opt out. That said, I certainly don’t agree that the coalition would have been the only reason he voted for gay marriage.

I thought Atlee would have been a bit posh for you.

I think the appeal with Cameron was that he looked like he could have been a laugh on a night out. He tried to cover it up, but it was there ;-)

 

[talkativesprout]

Latest comments on the burqa oh dear. Are all our politicians unfit for purpose?

I think they do look like post boxs and are just a remnant of of male dominated in society. Cover yourselves up...ffs dark ages stuff, if you support it you are a fucking idiot

 

[Andy Dale]

What the fuck is a social liberal ?
Is that a nazi in sandals ?

 

[Ban-jani]

What the fuck is a social liberal ?
Is that a nazi in sandals ?

You can find a pretty hefty definition online but it’s effectively the centre ground.

Not a position to be scoffed at, it’s usually filled with people with a brain and morals.