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[Ban-jani]

at least we know Corbyn wouldn't press the button - Johnson would just go into hiding it seems

The problem isn’t that we know Corbyn wouldn’t press the button, it’s that every other World Leader knows it too.

 

[west didsblue]

Yes it happened in the past and it didn't happen as May though it would, the Tories did not romp home against the old socialist fucker Corbyn, they were mistaken. The arrival of Boris has not changed that equation, it has not made Corbyn more or less electable

You stated....



I stated no.

I then commented....

"May seriously thought, as west didsblue still does, that the Tories would romp home past that old socialist fucker Corbyn."

You still think the Tories would romp home past that old socialist fucker Corbyn were it not for Johnson. You think Corbyn looks electable not on his own merit but only because of Boris, you stated that in your post, the corollary being that in the absence of Johnson, Corbyn would not be electable.

You believe that essentially Corbyn is unelectable and he can only be elected if the heavens align in a particular way inside the Tory Party, rotating around Planet Boris presumably.

I disagree, I believe Corbyn is electable, regardless of Boris.

Fair enough, your post could be interpreted in more than one way and I interpreted it in a way that you didn’t mean.

I do believe though that Corbyn is only now electable because the Tories are a complete shambles whether it’s Johnson in charge or any of the other clowns running for the leadership. Another Labour leader would be streets ahead not just edging it imo. I know we’re not going to agree on this but that’s what I think.

 

[Silvercloud]

The man, & most of his party members are all cnuts! No ifs, no buts. They've systematically destroyed the police, fire service, NHS, social care & mental health services in 8 years. He's a cnut, his mates are cnuts, his family are cnuts & anybody who has voted for this shower over the last 2 elections are cnuts.

The only people worse than the above cnuts are Labour cnuts who have let this happen as there is no real alter to the cnuts.

 

[bluethrunthru]

The man, & most of his party members are all cnuts! No ifs, no buts. They've systematically destroyed the police, fire service, NHS, social care & mental health services in 8 years. He's a cnut, his mates are cnuts, his family are cnuts & anybody who has voted for this shower over the last 2 elections are cnuts.

That wouldn't be bad if the party of lower taxes had used those cuts to make us all better off................sadly only a select few are as a result. I wonder which way they vote?

 

[Vic]

The problem isn’t that we know Corbyn wouldn’t press the button, it’s that every other World Leader knows it too.

Well that's alright then. If we won't press the button then we're not likely to suffer a pre-emptive strike to make sure we don't....

 

[bluethrunthru]

Well that's alright then. If we won't press the button then we're not likely to suffer a pre-emptive strike to make sure we don't....

whereas if the leader is likely to go into a funk and hide that will be much better....................??? FFS ...............

 

[Ban-jani]

Well that's alright then. If we won't press the button then we're not likely to suffer a pre-emptive strike to make sure we don't....

That’s not how it works.

If Russia or China knows by the time they have one in the air, they know we’ll fire one straight back, they’re not going to press ahead.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Following my endorsement of Team Rory last week, the boy is now second favourite. All is not lost yet. :-)

 

[Ancient Citizen]

That’s not how it works.

If Russia or China knows by the time they have one in the air, they know we’ll fire one straight back, they’re not going to press ahead.

Correct.
There's another reason for this deterrent, if those two countries, or any aggressor, threatens to use massive conventional
forces against you, the threat of the ultimate reaction will deter.

 

[blueinsa]

Following my endorsement of Team Rory last week, the boy is now second favourite. All is not lost yet. :-)

Whilst the PLP might give him the support needed, still doubtful, the membership won’t touch him with a barge pole.

Boris is the next PM it’s that simple.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Whilst the PLP might give him the support needed, still doubtful, the membership won’t touch him with a barge pole.

Boris is the next PM it’s that simple.

I agree, screaming about debates and cunts is all a good laugh, but the Tories know that appointing a remainer
will mean their demise. The PLP is dominated by remainers, yet even most of them have realised this, hence his lead.

 

[Gabriel]

Following my endorsement of Team Rory last week, the boy is now second favourite. All is not lost yet. :-)

Telegraph must be concerned. It’s been championing Johnson and is reporting accusations today that Stewart had links with MI6 and might have been a spy.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Telegraph must be concerned. It’s been championing Johnson and is reporting accusations today that Stewart had links with MI6 and might have been a spy.

I will leak a rumour that he was co-producer of Killing Eve. That should give him a further boost. False news can be a force for good.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Whilst the PLP might give him the support needed, still doubtful, the membership won’t touch him with a barge pole.

Boris is the next PM it’s that simple.

I suspect that you are correct. It’s not that I am a Tory. Just that Rory seems the most sensible and least bad to become next PM.

 

[Gabriel]

I will leak a rumour that he was co-producer of Killing Eve. That should give him a further boost. False news can be a force for good.

Strange one, because he’d be bound not to speak about it, so it leaves a vacuum for the media to speculate. That can be positive and negative.
Don’t know what Killing Eve is. :-(

 

[blueinsa]

I suspect that you are correct. It’s not that I am a Tory. Just that Rory seems the most sensible and least bad to become next PM.

As a brexiteer I obviously don’t agree with Rory on that issue but that aside, he comes across as the most likeable of the lot and can see why he would gain support.

I’m no Tory either so brexit aside and wanting a PM who will deliver it I’m not interested who gets the gig but it’s a done deal for Boris by the looks of it.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Strange one, because he’d be bound not to speak about it, so it leaves a vacuum for the media to speculate. That can be positive and negative.
Don’t know what Killing Eve is. :-(

It’s a daft spy series.

 

[waspish]

As a brexiteer I obviously don’t agree with Rory on that issue but that aside, he comes across as the most likeable of the lot and can see why he would gain support.

I’m no Tory either so brexit aside and wanting a PM who will deliver it I’m not interested who gets the gig but it’s a done deal for Boris by the looks of it.

With Rory also he doesnt agree with a referendum or trying to stay in! He wants us out! If by a miracle its Rory and Boris in last 2 it will be very close who wins it.

 

[Blue Hefner]

I agree, screaming about debates and cunts is all a good laugh, but the Tories know that appointing a remainer
will mean their demise. The PLP is dominated by remainers, yet even most of them have realised this, hence his lead.

But this ‘remainer’, Stewart, is the only one that has actually voted for us to leave(3x)

You may not like the WA. But it is what it is

I used to work in drug treatment services and we’d get people who assure us they wanted to get clean but when pointed out that the most effective way of achieving the goal is to go to NA/AA meeting their standard response was ‘I don’t like meetings’ - as my senior colleague at the time said ‘what the fuck has ‘like’ got to do with anything, I’m not interested in what you like’

The point being that the most effective way of achieving Brexit is the deal on the table. No-deal is a thing of fantasy and any substantial change quite simply won’t happen

So either stay addicted(in the EU) or make the difficult life changing decision to go to the meetings(the WA)

 

[west didsblue]

Whilst the PLP might give him the support needed, still doubtful, the membership won’t touch him with a barge pole.

Boris is the next PM it’s that simple.

I agree, screaming about debates and cunts is all a good laugh, but the Tories know that appointing a remainer
will mean their demise. The PLP is dominated by remainers, yet even most of them have realised this, hence his lead.

There is a lot of opinion on this thread and not much fact but I can state with absolute certainty that no-one from the PLP will vote for either of them.