I thought the newspapers were biased in favour of the Tories?

I don’t need to defend anything, if you read my posts without being a **** once in a while, which I know is hard for you, you’ll realise I’ve been heavily critical of the government and in particular Matt Hancock.

Edit: just to add also, the Sunday Times article you’re referring to, has actually used the phrase “sleepwalked” into the crisis, which I have been using about the government for weeks now.

Awesome. You know best, as always.

You should go for PM, when you’ve lost your Piers-ness.

No one knows better than you two.

Are you twins?
 
Party orchestrated? Is this the start of killing the head so the body of the party survives in power? History will be very very harsh in the judgement of his actions over this. Churchill he ain't despite what he'd like us to think.
The party where he’s a poster-boy, that overwhelmingly elected him less than a year ago, before he gave them a landslide majority around four months ago, whilst his approval rating remains unusually high?

Seems legit.
 
Mirror articles are always a fucking nightmare to read on my iPad.
Yeh the site is a nightmare mate.

Tall and the short of it - the first Cobra meeting on coronavirus was 24th Jan. Boris didn’t attend.

There was a further 4 Cobra meetings on coronavirus over the next 5 weeks after that and Boris didn’t bother to attend any.

The first Cobra meeting he did attend was on March 2nd.

A senior adviser to Downing Street blamed a failure of leadership in Cabinet - and singled out the Prime Minister - for the "lost" weeks and complacency leading up to the epidemic.

The adviser, who wasn't named, told the Sunday Times: “There’s no way you’re at war if your PM isn’t there.

"And what you learn about Boris was he didn’t chair any meetings. He liked his country breaks. He didn’t work weekends.

"It was like working for an old-fashioned chief executive in a local authority 20 years ago. There was a real sense that he didn’t do urgent crisis planning. It was exactly like people feared he would be.”
 
Heard the comments in any other country this Times article would bring down the government.

Well this shower of cunts and johnson have survived several government destroying scandals and never been fully held accountable so I expect them to get away with this shambles too.


Whether him hiding from his responsibility at the start, clearly not wanting to do them pressers, which he looked uncomfortable doing, or if he hides out for the next few weeks will see him toppled from within is yet to be seen.

Rumblings he has pissed off several cabinet members are only rumour, but if in the aftermath he tries shifting any blame they will turn on him, after all he was needed to get the 'get brexit done' message over the line, and his skill at pushing a one quote agenda, now that's done he is pretty fucking useless for anything else.
 
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It’s important to question it but it’s ridiculous to say they’re “condemning thousands to death” without actually knowing who’s specifically died from government policies.

Government/Scientific protocol returned elderley Covid 19 patients back to care homes from hospitals from start of pandemic. This protocol was only recently revised by Hancock and announced x5 days ago. This was due to there now being some capacity in critical care beds due to nightingale hospitals coming on line.

The protocol was in place as officials thought original critical care capacity would be overwhelmed so prioritised capacity to younger Covid 19 patients who they thought would survive or at least occupy critical care [ventilator] bed for shorter period. Now pre-covid19, consultants always had to balance decisions on who gets what care/equipment/opportunities, however, this blanket protocol returned covid 19 patients back to Care Homes.

These Care Homes, certaintly at the time of this protocol, were at very lower end of governments PPE, as majority being fed to NHS. Again, you can take a position that that decision was correct as in short supply. Of course, elderly persons would have died in those same care homes from other causes during this period. In addition, majority of elderly patients initially sent to hospital requiring ventilation would themselves have died as of course majority of younger covid 19 patients too, those requiring ventilation also die.

However, there is no doubt that that protocol has significantly impacted the number of deaths due to Covid 19 in care homes due to infection then spreading in that poorly PPE resourced environment. It of course exposed those workers in these social care environments, those with limited access to correct ppe and less training, to significant risk of covid 19.

In order to ascertain whether government policies led to more deaths both in the above cases and others, well you probably will never be given access to all the information to fully comprehend situation. However, if you just consider current governments response and not any previous governments response, [eg 2016 pandemic alerts], then it will probably be around in general, if this government took the decisions it did take, either early enough or enough of.

I posted early in these discussions of a statement made by a WHO official. I dont claim that WHO response, as an organisation has been good or bad, with respect to Covid 19. Indeed i think the statement related to Ebola and not Covid 19. The statement related to organisations/bodies not normally facing pandemics and their decision processes. The statement related to your first decision/appraisals/actions needing to be multiplied x10 fold+ or you are unlikely never to be ahead of the threat. You can always revise down at later date.

Having excess gowns or oxygen or tests or ventilators or beds is not really a problem, you can always sell/give them to an other country who reacted more slowly etc or who needs them. The cost of any excess resource is tiny in comparison to more deaths, longer lockdown, ongoing financial impact. The much lauded 30 billion at the budget is probably a clear example of this x10 fold+ thinking and how govt didn't really have any understanding, of the scale of potential risk or impact a pandemic could lead too.

Lets be clear though, noone country will have made all the right decisions at the right time. Currently every country has to work thru best wherever they are at at this point. I hope the government is currently is at least open to all party dialogue so at least they can have visibility to other options
and are best prepared to make the best decisions to move us onwards from our current position.
 
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