Alexandole Boris de Pfeffel Johnson

Vic said:
With a majority of 80 an inquiry is not inevitable. There's already quite a list of unpublished stuff he's suppressed. He's bottled out of appearing before select committees (before this crisis). He bottled out of the Andrew Neill interview. It's taken three months to adopt WHO's advice on testing and tracing - and he was AWOL when the risk of a pandemic was identified.

I'm not impressed. It's incredible that some still are.
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Failure to hold a judge led inquiry will as I see it be political suicide. If Starmer knows what he’s doing - and he does - he will keep the pressure up on the failure to hold an inquiry going for five years. We will probably end up with 50-100,000 deaths from Covid 19, which means 50-100,000 families, all thinking ‘did the government’s actions and inactions kill my Gran.’ 100,000 deaths and no inquiry? Even Corbyn would have made something of that and he was the most ineffective leader of the opposition in living memory. Imagine any other catastrophe - a rail smash, a fire, a terrorist attack - leading to 30-40 deaths that led to an inquiry if Covid 19 hadn’t? It would be an open goal.

An interesting demographic is the distribution of Covid 19 deaths. It is not an even spread, but (as is perhaps obvious) concentrated in the more heavily populated but more socially deprived areas. Just the sort of place that returned a Tory at the last election after decades of voting labour. After five years of relentless repetition of a failure to be held to account they wouldn’t be voting Tory again.

Johnson knows this. His mind will be on how to make the inquiry as friendly as possible, not on whether it can be avoided at all.
 
Chris in London said:
Failure to hold a judge led inquiry will as I see it be political suicide. If Starmer knows what he’s doing - and he does - he will keep the pressure up on the failure to hold an inquiry going for five years. We will probably end up with 50-100,000 deaths from Covid 19, which means 50-100,000 families, all thinking ‘did the government’s actions and inactions kill my Gran.’ 100,000 deaths and no inquiry? Even Corbyn would have made something of that and he was the most ineffective leader of the opposition in living memory. Imagine any other catastrophe - a rail smash, a fire, a terrorist attack - leading to 30-40 deaths that led to an inquiry if Covid 19 hadn’t? It would be an open goal.

An interesting demographic is the distribution of Covid 19 deaths. It is not an even spread, but (as is perhaps obvious) concentrated in the more heavily populated but more socially deprived areas. Just the sort of place that returned a Tory at the last election after decades of voting labour. After five years of relentless repetition of a failure to be held to account they wouldn’t be voting Tory again.

Johnson knows this. His mind will be on how to make the inquiry as friendly as possible, not on whether it can be avoided at all.
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"a rail smash, a fire, a terrorist attack"

These things happen in an instant, Covid-19 will drag on in some form or another for a least two years.

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Ancient Citizen said:
Seeing how this 'Going missing' brought him a massive landslide, I think it may be time for
the realisation that you're well in a minority that looks like remaining so for donkey's years.
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The "haha you lost and you better suck it up" might make you feel like you're on the winning team but it doesn't address the point that he's coward, out of his depth and the incompetence of him and his government is killing people. Taunting me and anyone else about it doesn't solve any of those problems. Maybe tell me something he's good at instead? (Apart from lying and going missing)

I know he's here to stay for a long time. It won't stop me criticising his failings though. Why you and so many other people refuse to see through him whist the country goes to shit I'll never know. He doesn't care about you and he doesn't care about the country. The bodies are stacking up and by the time he's done with Brexit nobody will have a pot to piss in either.

He's a conman and not even a very good one. He's done a number on you and a lot of other people though.
 
Chris in London said:
Failure to hold a judge led inquiry will as I see it be political suicide. If Starmer knows what he’s doing - and he does - he will keep the pressure up on the failure to hold an inquiry going for five years. We will probably end up with 50-100,000 deaths from Covid 19, which means 50-100,000 families, all thinking ‘did the government’s actions and inactions kill my Gran.’ 100,000 deaths and no inquiry? Even Corbyn would have made something of that and he was the most ineffective leader of the opposition in living memory. Imagine any other catastrophe - a rail smash, a fire, a terrorist attack - leading to 30-40 deaths that led to an inquiry if Covid 19 hadn’t? It would be an open goal.

An interesting demographic is the distribution of Covid 19 deaths. It is not an even spread, but (as is perhaps obvious) concentrated in the more heavily populated but more socially deprived areas. Just the sort of place that returned a Tory at the last election after decades of voting labour. After five years of relentless repetition of a failure to be held to account they wouldn’t be voting Tory again.

Johnson knows this. His mind will be on how to make the inquiry as friendly as possible, not on whether it can be avoided at all.
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We've got an inquiry into Grenfell led by a judge, and he prioritised what the Fire Brigade got wrong rather than why it happened. The Tory judge (let's face it, most are) will prioritise who lit the Covid fire rather than the government's failures to put it out.
 
Vic said:
We've got a judge-led inquiry into Grenfell, and he prioritised what the Fire Brigade got wrong rather than why it happened. The Tory judge (let's face it, most are) will prioritise who lit the Covid fire rather than the government's failures to put it out.
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which is why I expect that (a) there will be an inquiry, and (b) it will throw the government’s chief scientists under a bus. If the government don’t find a scapegoat the public will, and it will be the government. Johnson knows this, and knows that his actions do not look good when judged with hindsight.
 
Chris in London said:
which is why I expect that (a) there will be an inquiry, and (b) it will throw the government’s chief scientists under a bus. If the government don’t find a scapegoat the public will, and it will be the government. Johnson knows this, and knows that his actions do not look good when judged with hindsight.
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Hindsight? Right now their is incontrovertible evidence of Johnson fucking up and yet he's riding high in the polls. From now on the restrictions are going to ease up, so hopefully the worse is over, both for us and for him.

Come back in two years time and see if they're clamouring for an enquiry then? Besides, the Conservatives don't give a fuck now and they won't in 2022. Sad day when grandad died in Salford two years ago, but he didn't vote Tory and neither did his kith and kin, so no worries for Johnson.
 
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