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Trevor Morley's Tache said:
I can see what's going on.

You or anyone else on this forum has no idea how or if I even voted in the Brexit referendum. I simply stated above what transpired with the negotiations post referendum result and that it turned into a shambles, and that maybe it wouldn't have if the remaining EU nations had been more sanguine over the whole affair rather than looking to punish us for it.

By all means blame UK politicians for getting us to that point, but don't absolve the EU of any blame for this mess we now find ourselves in.
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Just for clarification, what specifically did the EU do that punished the U.K.?
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
I can see what's going on.

You or anyone else on this forum has no idea how or if I even voted in the Brexit referendum. I simply stated above what transpired with the negotiations post referendum result and that it turned into a shambles, and that maybe it wouldn't have if the remaining EU nations had been more sanguine over the whole affair rather than looking to punish us for it.

By all means blame UK politicians for getting us to that point, but don't absolve the EU of any blame for this mess we now find ourselves in.
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You are 100% to blame on this. Why on earth would the EU be lenient towards the UK when you decided to leave? You were one of the major partners, financially and otherwise. Imagining being able to get a better deal than the one you had was deluded beyond belief. The EU is a much larger economy and the UK so much more reliant on them than vice versa.

The world and the economy is now and forever will be global. Instead of trying to move forward and be a part of the EU, which has now become the main defender and promoter of democracy, you decided to try to reverse time and only thunk about yourself.

The UK deserves absolutely everything coming at it. Just a shame all the reasonable, and mostly young, people are suffering for it as well.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
It's your "opinion" which is exactly the same as the lies he has been gaslighting the country with for two years.

Apologies if you got it from Rupert Murdoch or Nigel Farage instead.
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MY opinion - formed from reading/listening to opinion from both sides of the argument, from many differing points of view. I filtered out most of the extremes of opinion as best I could and came to my own conclusions. Sorry if they don't line up with your ideals, but that's just the way opinions work.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
MY opinion - formed from reading/listening to opinion from both sides of the argument, from many differing points of view. I filtered out most of the extremes of opinion as best I could and came to my own conclusions. Sorry if they don't line up with your ideals, but that's just the way opinions work.
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How can you hope to have a balanced opinion by listening to both sides of the argument? All that does is confuse you.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
I can see what's going on.

You or anyone else on this forum has no idea how or if I even voted in the Brexit referendum. I simply stated above what transpired with the negotiations post referendum result and that it turned into a shambles, and that maybe it wouldn't have if the remaining EU nations had been more sanguine over the whole affair rather than looking to punish us for it.

By all means blame UK politicians for getting us to that point, but don't absolve the EU of any blame for this mess we now find ourselves in.
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Did you really, really think that the EU would help us and play ball? Seriously you thought that?
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
MY opinion - formed from reading/listening to opinion from both sides of the argument, from many differing points of view. I filtered out most of the extremes of opinion as best I could and came to my own conclusions. Sorry if they don't line up with your ideals, but that's just the way opinions work.
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You can't go round claiming to be some kind of balanced or sensible person when you just claimed "the EU are punishing us" like some kind of pound shop Farage, mate.
 
Gabriel said:
Well those conditions were known beforehand so cannot be considered punitive.
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On a more serious note, it came as an absolute shock to David Davis the Brexit Minister at the time. Literally turned up to the first meeting with zero briefing and no papers and expecting the EU to roll over.

Our political and media class were, and still are, incredibly deluded.
 
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