Alexis Sanchez

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Keeping Aguero happy might depend on how Guardiola judges him by end of season.

yeah, think there's a slot available for the taking there unless Kun gets his act together.

 

[prof-taf]

That's true. Chelsea decided to bring in Samuel Eto'o instead of keeping Romelu Lukaku for example, and kept 36 year old Lampard instead of Kevin De Bruyne - and that worked out so well for them.

If we sign Sanchez, we've massively fucked up in the transfer market again. Because it means we will end up selling one of Sané, Sterling or G. Jesus, because we will not keep those 3 plus Aguero and Sanchez happy.

And if we wanted Sanchez, or a player who could deliver instantly, why blow £150m on young wingers instead.

Agree, can't have every toy in the toy shop. Aguero, Jesus, nacho and nolito should do the business

 

[Invisible_Goat]

That's true. Chelsea decided to bring in Samuel Eto'o instead of keeping Romelu Lukaku for example, and kept 36 year old Lampard instead of Kevin De Bruyne - and that worked out so well for them.

If we sign Sanchez, we've massively fucked up in the transfer market again. Because it means we will end up selling one of Sané, Sterling or G. Jesus, because we will not keep those 3 plus Aguero and Sanchez happy.

And if we wanted Sanchez, or a player who could deliver instantly, why blow £150m on young wingers instead.

Lukaku wouldn't even get in the first team today so how has that been an issue for them. They won the league two years ago without these players, and look like winning it again this year. To use them as an example of failure because they let these two players go is a bit stupid. All big teams have lost young players but still succeeded. They had one bad season last year due to the management crisis. But with their philosophy they've won everything going. Plus KDB isn't really the same. They kept Lampard but never ever played KDB. Isn't that Mourinhos fault for not keeping KDB happy by giving him some decent game time. It's down to the manager to keep the young players happy with squad rotation until they are technically and physically good enough. And so why buy Noilto if these youngsters have to start every game? Because Gurdiola knows experience is what wins yo trophies. We don't have just 11 players and If Navas and Nolito get game time then there's room in the squad for a better version of them in Sanchez. Thats if we want to be better now and not wait for 4-5 years for these players to con of age. What it's like for a young player at a big club, is fighting for your place behind better players, that's what makes them better and it's up to the manager to develop you and keep you happy. If your good enough you play you will, if your not, your in the squad. Guardiola bought these players for he future and because he knows they're good enough to help now, but I be surprised if Sanchez was availability and he didn't want him in the team.

 

[domalino]

Lukaku wouldn't even get in the first team today so how has that been an issue for them. They won the league two years ago without these players, and look like winning it again this year. To use them as an example of failure because they let these two players go is a bit stupid. All big teams have lost young players but still succeeded. They had one bad season last year due to the management crisis. But with their philosophy they've won everything going. Plus KDB isn't really the same. They kept Lampard but never ever played KDB. Isn't that Mourinhos fault for not keeping KDB happy by giving him some decent game time. It's down to the manager to keep the young players happy with squad rotation until they are technically and physically good enough. And so why buy Noilto if these youngsters have to start every game? Because Gurdiola knows experience is what wins yo trophies. We don't have just 11 players and If Navas and Nolito get game time then there's room in the squad for a better version of them in Sanchez. Thats if we want to be better now and not wait for 4-5 years for these players to con of age. What it's like for a young player at a big club, is fighting for your place behind better players, that's what makes them better and it's up to the manager to develop you and keep you happy. If your good enough you play you will, if your not, your in the squad. Guardiola bought these players for he future and because he knows they're good enough to help now, but I be surprised if Sanchez was availability and he didn't want him in the team.

why buy Noilto if these youngsters have to start every game?

Surely this doesn't need explaining, if you've bothered to read my comments? Nolito doesn't mind sitting on the bench, so they can play when it suits them, or we can use Nolito's experience. Sanchez will demand to play every game, like Aguero, and like Sanchez already does at Arsenal. So you can't play the kids at all because Sanchez and Aguero both have to start, leaving 3 kids fighting for 1 place each week.

Because Gurdiola knows experience is what wins yo trophies

Guardiola doesn't believe that and has never said it. If he did believe it he wouldn't have binned Henry for 20 year old Pedro, or Yaya for Busquets.

We don't have to wait 5 years for them to come of age either, that's just bullshit and everyone knows it. In two years, Sané will be 23 and Sterling 24, and they'll want to be at a club where they play every week. Meanwhile Sanchez will be 31 and still expect to start every week.


We made a deliberate choice to buy the next generation of world class players. England, Germany and Brazil's biggest attacking talents all joined in the summer, and we spent big to get them before the likes of Bayern/Barcelona/Real did and they became unavailable.

So if we've already made that decision to get the next generation, deciding we actually need a 29 year old for another £50+m and then losing the next generation because we played Sanchez into his 30's would be a massive failure in the transfer market.

If we had to have someone of Sanchez's level now, or next season, we should never have been spending £130m on the kids.

 

[mosssideblue]

Surely this doesn't need explaining, if you've bothered to read my comments? Nolito doesn't mind sitting on the bench, so they can play when it suits them, or we can use Nolito's experience. Sanchez will demand to play every game, like Aguero, and like Sanchez already does at Arsenal. So you can't play the kids at all because Sanchez and Aguero both have to start, leaving 3 kids fighting for 1 place each week.



Guardiola doesn't believe that and has never said it. If he did believe it he wouldn't have binned Henry for 20 year old Pedro, or Yaya for Busquets.

We don't have to wait 5 years for them to come of age either, that's just bullshit and everyone knows it. In two years, Sané will be 23 and Sterling 24, and they'll want to be at a club where they play every week. Meanwhile Sanchez will be 31 and still expect to start every week.


We made a deliberate choice to buy the next generation of world class players. England, Germany and Brazil's biggest attacking talents all joined in the summer, and we spent big to get them before the likes of Bayern/Barcelona/Real did and they became unavailable.

So if we've already made that decision to get the next generation, deciding we actually need a 29 year old for another £50+m and then losing the next generation because we played Sanchez into his 30's would be a massive failure in the transfer market.

If we had to have someone of Sanchez's level now, or next season, we should never have been spending £130m on the kids.

How do you know that?

 

[domalino]

How do you know that?

Because if he did, he wouldn't have joined us.

Do you think him and his agents are idiots? You think he was the only person in the world who didn't know about Sané coming in for 3x the cost? Players know that if the club you're joining is about to spend £47m on another player in your position, you're not going to be the starter every week.


Nobody ever thought Nolito was going to start every week.

 

[mosssideblue]

Because if he did, he wouldn't have joined us.

Do you think him and his agents are idiots? You think he was the only person in the world who didn't know about Sané coming in for 3x the cost? Players know that if the club you're joining is about to spend £47m on another player in your position, you're not going to be the starter every week.


Nobody ever thought Nolito was going to start every week.

Roger your assumptions

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

The rules say that a squad can have no more than 17 overseas players and that the likelihood of Yaya becoming eligible for the CL squad is purely down to Gundogan's injury should be enough to tell us that our squad has to be changed intelligently and wherever necessary. There is no shortage of quality up front but the defence is of another story. We had enough trouble moving players on last summer with loans being the usual way out. We can't keep on operating like this and we lose credibility by doing it.
Sanchez is a top player but he would hardly be likely to improve our goalscoring record whereas by improving our goals conceded record, our overall status would improve immeasurably.

 

[Invisible_Goat]

Guardiola doesn't believe that and has never said it. If he did believe it he wouldn't have binned Henry for 20 year old Pedro, or Yaya for Busquets.

That's a bit wrong. Henry was past his best, and he was binned because 28 year old David Villa became available after years, not because of Pedro. Plus it's well documented that Guardiolababe didn't get on with Henry and Ibra and vice versa.

Busqueta came on the scene in 2008 yet he went out and bought Yaya and Seydou Keita at that time, who both played central midfield, and he already had Xavi and Inesta. Was he thinking about anBusquets then?

Yaya was 27 when he was sold, not exactly old, but he didn't suit his style as we hear, and he was binned. So path completly left clear for the young Busqueta, but wait, no, he then brought in 26year old Mascherano another DM. So that year he had 3 DM's of Masch, Keita and Busquets. Busquets was good enough to win his place in the team, so he reverted Mascherano into defence.



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We don't have to wait 5 years for them to come of age either, that's just bullshit and everyone knows it. In two years, Sané will be 23 and Sterling 24, and they'll want to be at a club where they play every week. Meanwhile Sanchez will be 31 and still expect to start every week. [/QUOTE]

Sterling and Sane either wing, Sanchez behind Aguero. KDB and a DM, or Sterling or Sane don't make it. Or G.Jesus and iheancho dont. If say Sterling was a similar level to Sanchez in two years, Sanchez would be gone, or be benched.

We gambled and paid s lot of money on potential because we currently have an endless pot of it to buy the best players in the world. If we could get him, we'd spend 200 million on Messi. I don't think people would be crying then saying, but we have little Nacho and G.Jesus, they won't get to play as much.

 

[BlueSam]

I'm with Invisible Goat. It's about having our cake and eating it too. Develop youth but also buy superstars.