ALL things Rooney PLEASE! [Merged]

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TheLegendOfBerti said:
Rooney's stats:

International Apps: 62 Goals: 25

Looks a good record, but who are they against?

4 v Croatia, 3 v Kazakhstan, 2 v Andorra, 2 v Belarus, 2 v Iceland, 2 v Slovakia, 2 v Switzerland, 1 v Russia, 1 v Estonia, 2 v Denmark, 1 v Holland, 1 v Argentina, 1 v Macedonia, 1 v Liechtenstein.

So I count 9 goals against teams England on paper should struggle to beat, the rest you'd expect to beat. Oh dear, so he doesn't score against many big teams, so what about his club record.

Everton Apps: 67 Goals: 15
MUFC Apps: 252 Goals: 131

So his goals record with United looks good, let's look at it in more detail.

Premier League: 189(91)
FA Cup: 18(11)
League Cup: 7(4)
Champions League: 50(21)
Others: 4(4)

In 2004/05:

PL: 24(11), FA: 6(3), LC: 1(0), CL: 6(3), Total: 37(17)

His Premier League Goals were against: 1 v Arsenal(H), 2 v Newcastle(A), 1 v Southampton(H), 1 v Liverpool(A), 1 v Birmingham(H), 1 v MCFC(A), 2 v Pompy(H), 1 v Newcastle(H), 1 v Charlton(A), so a good mix with some important goals, but only 11.

FA Cup goals: 1 v Exeter(A), 2 v Boro(H), nothing special.

In the Champions League: 3 v Fenerbahce(H), good hattrick, but only against a Turkish team in the Group stage. Would he improve the next year?

In 2005/06:

PL: 34(16), FA: 2(0), LC: 3(2), CL: 5(1), Total: 44(19), not great.

Goals in Prem: 1 v Everton(A), 1 v Newcastle(A), 1 v Fulham(A), 1 v Sunderland(A), 1 v West Ham(A), 1 v Portsmouth(H), 2 v Wigan(H), 1 v Villa(A), 1 v Birmingham(A), 2 v Newcastle(H), 1 v Birmingham(H), 1 v Arsenal(H), 2 v Spurs(A), so until the last 2 games no goals against big teams.

League Cup Goals: 2 v Wigan, wow...

Champions League: 1 v Debrecen, world class.

So he went backwards in 05/06, but could he step it up in the following season?

In 06/07:

PL: 33(14), FA: 5(5), LC: 1(0), CL: 12(4), Total: 51(23), hmmm.

In Prem: 2 v Fulham(H), 3 v Bolton(A), 2 v Sheff Utd(A), 1 v MCFC(H), 1 v Arsenal(A), 1 v Watford(H), 2 v Bolton(H), 1 v Sheff Utd(H), 1 v Everton(A), so apart from Arsenal away, not big team goals.

In FA: 2 v Pompy, 1 v Boro, 2 v Watford...yeah.

In CL: 1 v Roma(H), 1 v Roma(A), 2 v AC Milan(H), finally showing some quality in big games, but still a pretty average return for England's star. How about 07/08?

In 07/08:

PL: 25(12), FA: 3(2), LC: 0(0), CL: 10(4), Others: 1(0), Total: 39(18)...hmmm.

In PL: 1 v Wigan(H), 2 v Villa(A), 1 v Boro(H), 1 v Sunderland(A), 1 v Reading(A), 2 v Newcastle(A), 2 v Villa(H), 1 v Boro(A), 1 v Chelsea(A), so 1 goal v Chelsea the only big goal he scored that season in the league.

In FA: 1 v Villa(A), 1 v Arsenal(H), fine.

In CL: 1 v Roma(H), 1 v Dynamo Kyiv(H), 1 v Dynamo Kyiv(A), 1 v Roma(A), so pretty good, but against the same teams. How about 08/09?

In 08/09:

PL: 25(12), FA: 1(1), LC: 0(0), CL: 11(4), Others: 2(3), Total: 39(20) only slighly better than the previous year.

In PL: 1 v Bolton(H), 1 v Blackburn(A), 1 v WBA(H), 1 v MCFC(A), 1 v Chelsea(H), 1 v Wigan(H), 1 v Fulham(H), 1 v Blackburn(H), 1 v Newcastle(A), 1 v Pompy(H), 2 v Spurs(H), so 1 goal v Chelsea and a couple against Spurs, otherwise just bog standard.

In FA: 1 v Fulham(A), nothing special.

In CL: 1 v Aalborg(H), 1 v Celtic(H), 1 v Aalborg(A), 1 v Porto(H), not amazing considering who they faced in the later rounds.

Club World Cup: 2 v Gamba Osaka, 1 v LDU Quito, another average season, but in 09/10 he stepped up and scored goals, but who against?

In 09/10:

PL: 32(26), FA: 1(0), LC: 2(2), CL: 6(5), Others: 1(1), Total: 42(34), much higher.

Community Shield: 1 v Chelsea.

In PL: 1 v Birmingham(H), 2 v Wigan(A), 1 v Arsenal(H, Penalty), 1 v Spurs(A, 3rd in a 3-1 win), 1 v MCFC(H), 1 v Blackburn(H), 3 v Pompy(A, 2 penalties), 1 v West Ham(A, 4th goal in a 4-0 win), 1 v Wolves(H, Penalty), 1 v Hull(A), 1 v Wigan(H), 4 v Hull(H), 1 v Arsenal(A, 2nd in a 3-1 win), 1 v Pompy(H), 2 v West Ham(H), 2 v Fulham(H), 1 v Liverpool(H), so a couple of big goals against Liverpool and Arsenal, but only 4 of the 26 were against top 6 teams, and 1 of those was a penalty.

In LC: 1 v MCFC(H), 1 Villa(Final), fair to say he won them the League Cup, first big thing he's done.

In CL: Didn't score in the group stages, 2 v AC Milan(A), 2 v AC Milan(H), 1 v FC Bayern(A), a touch harsh to say he didn't do well, but AC were shit and Bayern were an average team relying on Arjen Robben and Ivica Olic for anything.

So overall, 11 of his 23 CL goals were against big teams and 8 of his 91 PL goals were against the other big 4, so yeah, make of it what you will. For me it just tells me he's a half-decent striker who had 1 great season against average teams and a good run in the CL, so yeah, not world class for me.
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quality thanks pal . 100% agree
 
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Right i'm sick of being called a rag when i'm not so i'm not going to comment much on Rooney anymore but i would be realy interested if any stats guys on here could find me a stiker/forward in world football who doesn't score more goals against the lesser teams than they do against the top teams.
 
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why does the England team always have to be built round the overrated twat?

4-4-2 with Crouch & Defoe, J.Cole on the left and Lennon / SWP on right. Rooney warming the bench
 
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England forward apologises for comments made after Algeria game.
The Football Association today issued the following statement from England forward Wayne Rooney further to comments he made as he was leaving the pitch at the end of the game with Algeria which was featured on television:

Wayne Rooney said: "I am as passionate about the England team as anyone. Last night, on reflection I said things in the heat of the moment that came out of frustration of both our performance and the result.

"The most important thing now is to regroup be positive and work towards winning the game on Wednesday. To do this the players will need the support of the fans more than ever.

"For my part I apologise for any offence caused by my actions at the end of the game."
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we are set up to take advantage of our 'world beater'. if he turns out to be merely average then we are not well equipped to see teams off. all the eggs in one basket. we have options in the squad. lets park his over-rated butt on the bench. crouch/defoe for me.
 
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we need team spirit not a wank fest over one allegedly world-class player

stop looking for frigging rooney and have a go!
 
Re: Wayne Rooney is a liability

gregglake said:
mcfcliam said:
Now he doesn't have it on a plate for him like he does at United, he's been shown up to be an over rated donkey.

You were right Lee, he is not world class and I now agree.
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If you look at how he plays at United its totally different, its just ignorant to deny the fact he is world class. Something is seriously wrong in the England camp. But he proves week in week out he is world class.
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ONE MAN DOES NOT MAKE A TEAM.
THE TEAM MAKES THE MAN.
 
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drop the rag prick... even my missus commented on how dis-interested he looked in the game cos it wasnt going his way. if he, and the rest of the over paid premo's cant get their act together , drop them, and play the lads with passion and pride.
why is gerrard stuck out on the left ???
 
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rnblade said:
drop the rag prick... even my missus commented on how dis-interested he looked in the game cos it wasnt going his way. if he, and the rest of the over paid premo's cant get their act together , drop them, and play the lads with passion and pride.
why is gerrard stuck out on the left ???
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The top FA brand will not get dropped & can you imagine what it'd be like around the camp with that sour faced twat still being around.
 
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bigquinn772 said:
England forward apologises for comments made after Algeria game.
The Football Association today issued the following statement from England forward Wayne Rooney further to comments he made as he was leaving the pitch at the end of the game with Algeria which was featured on television:

Wayne Rooney said: "I am as passionate about the England team as anyone. Last night, on reflection I said things in the heat of the moment that came out of frustration of both our performance and the result.

"The most important thing now is to regroup be positive and work towards winning the game on Wednesday. To do this the players will need the support of the fans more than ever.

"For my part I apologise for any offence caused by my actions at the end of the game."
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I'm not sure I believe he even wrote that. He didn't do an interview did he? Probably some FA press person trying to do damage limitation.
 
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"Wayne Rooney said: "I am as passionate about the England team as anyone. Last night, on reflection I said things in the heat of the moment that came out of frustration of both our performance and the result.

"The most important thing now is to regroup be positive and work towards winning the game on Wednesday. To do this the players will need the support of the fans more than ever.

"For my part I apologise for any offence caused by my actions at the end of the game."

Wayne Rooney said! The bollocks he did. Tell me that the above is common parlance on the streets of Norris Green and I'm the best ball player on Copacabana!
 
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I think the guy just needs a game off. I'd rest him against Slovenia, and I think he'd come back a lot stronger. As for what he said after the game, the only issue really is that he's the only player who will say what the rest are thinking. He doesn't do diplomacy. I bet not one single player wasn't thinking the same.
 
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malg said:
I think the guy just needs a game off. I'd rest him against Slovenia, and I think he'd come back a lot stronger. As for what he said after the game, the only issue really is that he's the only player who will say what the rest are thinking. He doesn't do diplomacy. I bet not one single player wasn't thinking the same.
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Only because they are a bunch of self-obsessed knobs, who wouldn't recognise some richly deserved criticism for a piss poor passionless performance when they saw it.....
 
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Mastes1 said:
Right i'm sick of being called a rag when i'm not so i'm not going to comment much on Rooney anymore but i would be realy interested if any stats guys on here could find me a stiker/forward in world football who doesn't score more goals against the lesser teams than they do against the top teams.
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Well, obviously you would score more against the lesser teams as there are more of them but let's do ratios against top 4 teams in their respective leagues(In England that is Arsenal, Liverpool, Man U, Chelsea, Italy Juventus, AC, Inter and Roma, Spain Barca, Real Madrid, Valencia and Sevilla).

Wayne Rooney 8/91(8.79%).
Cristiano Ronaldo(MUFC) 6/84(7.14%)
Cristiano Ronaldo(R.Mad) 2/26(7.69%)
Gonzalo Higuain(R.Mad) 8/59(13.56%)
Lionel Messi(Barcelona) 20/82(24.44%)(unable to find data for his 7 goals in 05/06)
Fernando Torres(Liverpool) 8/56(14.3%)
Didier Drogba(Chelsea) 9/62(14.5%, unable to find data for 22 goals in 04/06)
 
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TheLegendOfBerti said:
Mastes1 said:
Right i'm sick of being called a rag when i'm not so i'm not going to comment much on Rooney anymore but i would be realy interested if any stats guys on here could find me a stiker/forward in world football who doesn't score more goals against the lesser teams than they do against the top teams.
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Well, obviously you would score more against the lesser teams as there are more of them but let's do ratios against top 4 teams in their respective leagues(In England that is Arsenal, Liverpool, Man U, Chelsea, Italy Juventus, AC, Inter and Roma, Spain Barca, Real Madrid, Valencia and Sevilla).

Wayne Rooney 8/91(8.79%).
Cristiano Ronaldo(MUFC) 6/84(7.14%)
Cristiano Ronaldo(R.Mad) 2/26(7.69%)
Gonzalo Higuain(R.Mad) 8/59(13.56%)
Lionel Messi(Barcelona) 20/82(24.44%)(unable to find data for his 7 goals in 05/06)
Fernando Torres(Liverpool) 8/56(14.3%)
Didier Drogba(Chelsea) 9/62(14.5%, unable to find data for 22 goals in 04/06)
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it shows that united are flat track bullies
but we saw that last year, they had the worst record of the top 4 against the other top 4 teams yet comfortably won the league (08/09)
 
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