America Bombs Venezuela

i kne albert davy said:
No is that the way off bit I know it imports from Canada and Mexico etc to met it’s refinery needs of heavy crude which it more than balances with exports of sweet crude. Reuters reported the cost to modernise Venezuelas oil production is estimated at 58 billion dollars Daft Donald’s said that will be financed by the oil companies? At a time when there’s a glut of oil, I’m not seeing it.
Oil consumption world wide is about 105 million barrels a day and forecast to slowly rise until mid 2030s when it peaks. Some estimates are that recoverable oil world wide is 16 trillion barrels so far we extracted 1 trillion so we aren’t running out any time soon.
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So the experts all agree that Venezuelan crude is very important to the US but you disagree.

I dunno it’s tricky who to believe.
 
We've got Guardiola said:
A federalist Europe which itself is almost bankrupt? Europe's relevance is decreasing and not increasing.

Nothing sums this up more than had we remained in the EU where life in the UK today would barely be any different. The EU project exists for the EU whereas the member state economies (including ourselves) that it represents are failing and have been falling on their arses ever since the 2008 crash.

There is no benefit whatsoever to participating in EU-global dick measuring which is sort of what the EU has attempted to do recently despite it being a match that it has no capability to win. Look at Ukraine and the coalition of the willing chaired by Starmer, so sidelined and irrelevant that they just don't speak about it anymore.

The UK is chicken feed on the world stage but Europe is even less without France or Germany. At least I guess the US is protective and is fighting for its survival against Chinese dominance whereas Europe will have surrendered its entire economy to China before the decade is finished. As much as we may hate it if we talk about survival alone then it makes far more sense to become the 51st US state.
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Fuck off
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Have you ever looked at a globe?

Venezuela is 350k square miles. Less than 20% of the population lives in the Caracas MSA. What do you suppose was the total percentage of people in Venezuela was who heard the explosions? What percent are without power? What precise percentage know what has happened? What percentage of THOSE are starving? How do they feel? You don’t know ANY of these answers. None.

You are referring to a tiny tiny tiny tiny percentage of the populace but saying “they” and expanding your conclusions to the entire population.

You don’t know dick about what the average Venezuelan thinks. I’m doubtful you could find Venezuela on a map. You’re SPECULATING. Period, end of.
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"What precise percentage know what has happened?" ....that is my point lol.

"You don’t know dick about what the average Venezuelan thinks." Well all the signs point towards my speculation of celebration but what would I know?
 
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This poll was conducted in 2018. The situation has only gotten worse since then. I'd be willing to estimate 50/50 on the first option at worst now but what would I know?

In fact you could even put a lack of confidence in how accurate the figures are given it's a dictatorship and all.

Numbers increase when you look at Venezuelans abroad. One could argue that's because they are less affected or because they gain a greater understanding when removed from the situation itself.
 


Two intelligent people discussing the issue, eventually getting to the concept of a triad of “Spheres of influence” raised earlier.
 
Cigs&Alc said:
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This poll was conducted in 2018. The situation has only gotten worse since then. I'd be willing to estimate 50/50 on the first option at worst now but what would I know?

In fact you could even put a lack of confidence in how accurate the figures are given it's a dictatorship and all.

Numbers increase when you look at Venezuelans abroad. One could argue that's because they are less affected or because they gain a greater understanding when removed from the situation itself.
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Good that you found a poll — albeit old and unsourced — which contradicts your assertion about “them.”
 
The us have been successfully destabilising Venezuela for years and ramped it up massively when Chavez died. They have used their whole variety of weapons, the economic weapon, fake news, paying off the opposition, starting riots etc. Maduro and the Venezuelans resisted against the odds for the last 5 odd years but no one can resist an illegal onslaught like this. The US can act as they wish, just like Israel and the 'global community' will not come to Venezuela's rescue. If only we had a power block of countries in the Global South - another thing America have been successfully ensuring can never happen over the last 30 years or so destabilising any country who threatens their hegemony... Solidarity for Venezuela. Seeing the US act like this again, it's a sad and terrifying moment for millions of people globally.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Good that you found a poll — albeit old and unsourced — which contradicts your assertion about “them.”
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Oh and I forgot to mention that 34% saying yes in a literal dictatorship is a good amount. Go ask North Koreans if they like the fat man.

Anyway where is the evidence that Venezuelans are displeased?
 
Nuff people on here jumping to defend the yanks and the status quo that your media cronies and politicians perpetuate. Did you do the same during the invasion of Iraq?

What about Ukraine?
 
M16 citeh said:
Nuff people on here jumping to defend the yanks and the status quo that your media cronies and politicians perpetuate. Did you do the same during the invasion of Iraq?

What about Ukraine?
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Well that implies a number of things.

You imply that A) I’m from the US…I am not

And B) I support the US’ actions…I do not fully.

Unfortunately social media has ruined political discussion and room for nuance. Just because I support or agree with one aspect of an action or an event does not mean I support the event as a whole or the people carrying out.

The US military executed an operation with ridiculous precision and are overthrowing a dictatorship. Unfortunately they have done so with zero respect for international norms and it sets a dangerous precedent. See how I can have a nuanced position?
 
I’ve just been reading The Racket by Matt Kennard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Racket_(book)

It’s been going on for years & doesn’t matter who’s in charge if the US wants your resources they’ll fund a way to steal it.

& to think Qatar hosting the World Cup was controversial, if only the players would have a backbone & refuse to play in the states.
 
Cigs&Alc said:
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This poll was conducted in 2018. The situation has only gotten worse since then. I'd be willing to estimate 50/50 on the first option at worst now but what would I know?

In fact you could even put a lack of confidence in how accurate the figures are given it's a dictatorship and all.

Numbers increase when you look at Venezuelans abroad. One could argue that's because they are less affected or because they gain a greater understanding when removed from the situation itself.
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Unpopular leadership justifies invasion?
Hells bells, the US could go in to almost any nation by that measure.
 
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