America Bombs Venezuela

[Cigs&Alc]

What, your "nuanced position" for justifying Trump's position?

Well that’s a hell of a way to say you can’t read.

 

[flook]

Similar to the tit in Downing Street

don't be fucking ridiculous

 

[Crouchinho]

First time I actually heard a president saying they will run the oil game.

 

[oldius]

Please read my latest post.

I did.
I understand support for removing dictators, but it is clear that is not Trump's goal. If it was, he wouldn't be supporting Putin, Netanyahu, or others.

It seems to me that the only possible action that will make a difference is for 8bn global consumers to abandon US products and brands; politicians seem powerless to stop Trump's stomp over international agreements and diplomatic solutions.

 

[kippaxwarrior]

Please read my latest post.

This isn't about American getting rid of a dictator and liberating a country, this is about a country occupying another one and literally assest stripping it's natural resources. The WSJ are reporting huge investment firms and hedge funds are already planning to go into Venezuela to see what they can take

Trump refused to rule out putting boots on the ground and the US government have been saying for weeks that Venezuela stole their oil and they want it back.

Everything the US government have said about giving Venezuelan citizens a better life is just fluff and bullshit

America will put Venezuela under martial law until it's sucked it's resources dry then they will just fuck off.

This is also Trump testing the waters to see what he can get away with as his ultimate goal is Greenland

 

[Cigs&Alc]

I did.
I understand support for removing dictators, but it is clear that is not Trump's goal. If it was, he wouldn't be supporting Putin, Netanyahu, or others.

It seems to me that the only possible action that will make a difference is for 8bn global consumers to abandon US products and brands; politicians seem powerless to stop Trump's stomp over international agreements and diplomatic solutions.

Obviously Trump is in it for the oil…and perhaps he does really care about narcoterrorism and human rights abuses. It’s just that it seems like, to me at least, there is a clear benefit for the Venezuelans.

They haven’t benefited from their oil in YEARS. I find hard to believe the US will rip them off any worse than they have been by their own leaders.

And on the Putin and other dictators commment…don’t you think Venezuela is a bit different? They don’t have nukes for a start.

 

[rickmcfc]

I’ve always had a strong opinion an backed the UK/US decisions over historic military actions, and I fully understand this was 100% a US operation without UK involvement, but something about this Venezuela invasion and removal doesn’t sit right with me at all.

The USA have zero right to land in a foreign country with military might, and simply remove a leader.

 

[Vic]

Obviously Trump is in it for the oil…and perhaps he does really care about narcoterrorism and human rights abuses. It’s just that it seems like, to me at least, there is a clear benefit for the Venezuelans.

They haven’t benefited from their oil in YEARS. I find hard to believe the US will rip them off any worse than they have been by their own leaders.

And on the Putin and other dictators commment…don’t you think Venezuela is a bit different? They don’t have nukes for a start.

So your nuanced position is effectively an argument for every nation to deter American invasion by having their own nuclear weapons....

 

[Vic]

Pastor from Caracas on Radio 4: 95% of Venezuelans (in the country, not those outside) didn't want to be bombed.

He didn't mention dancing in the street.

 

[oldius]

Obviously Trump is in it for the oil…and perhaps he does really care about narcoterrorism and human rights abuses. It’s just that it seems like, to me at least, there is a clear benefit for the Venezuelans.

They haven’t benefited from their oil in YEARS. I find hard to believe the US will rip them off any worse than they have been by their own leaders.

And on the Putin and other dictators commment…don’t you think Venezuela is a bit different? They don’t have nukes for a start.

It is different because they are powerless to defend themselves - it makes his behaviour more abhorrent, IMO.

 

[oldius]

I’ve always had a strong opinion an backed the UK/US decisions over historic military actions, and I fully understand this was 100% a US operation without UK involvement, but something about this Venezuela invasion and removal doesn’t sit right with me at all.

The USA have zero right to land in a foreign country with military might, and simply remove a leader.

Given the US's continual military action abroad for all of my lifetime and more, and your last sentence, why have you always supported them?

 

[SWP's back]

Who was stopping America just buying Venezuelan oil?

No one, but now it will be US companies running and selling it.

You doubt oil was the reason for the attack? How many times does Trump need to tell you, with his own words, that it was about oil. Seven times he mentioned oil in that mental press conference alone.

 

[Cigs&Alc]

Pastor from Caracas on Radio 4: 95% of Venezuelans (in the country, not those outside) didn't want to be bombed.

He didn't mention dancing in the street.

In other news I found a fork in my kitchen.

Of course no one wanted to be bombed.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

So, America were supporting the opposition to Maduro in the elections and refused to accept the result when Maduro called it for himself. Does that mean that Machado can now take up the position, based on their accepted election result?

 

[Cigs&Alc]

So your nuanced position is effectively an argument for every nation to deter American invasion by having their own nuclear weapons....

If that’s what you get from it than whatever. I’m not going to argue with someone who is going to straw man everything.

 

[Cigs&Alc]

It is different because they are powerless to defend themselves - it makes his behaviour more abhorrent, IMO.

Well I don’t disagree. I’m not sad that a dictatorship can’t defend themselves though.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

This entire military episode against Venezuela highlights how stupid Trump is.

He somehow, actually fucking believes, that a very risky military operation to kidnap the head of state and his wife of a foreign government, without consent of Congress, will somehow miraculously lead to a change in regime... one that favors the United States, and that is stable, and that major oil companies will be willing to invest in Venezuela to develop their oil fields with some sort of attendant benefit to the USA.

FFS - this is so fucking stupid that it makes the mistaken invitation of Jeffery Goldberg into a Signal app conversation discussing imminent attacks against Houthi rebels in Yemen pale into insignificance.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

It's solely transactional for him. Another way to make money for himself.

For sure - and yet... it beats the fuck out of me how Trump/America is going to make money out of this fiasco. There's zero fucking chance that major oil companies will risk investment in Venezuela, even, assuming, that the successor government to Maduro favors this - and the successor government absolutely does not.

 

[bluemoon32]

I'm beginning to think the FIFA peace prize might not be entirely legit.

 

[babyape]

I'm beginning to think the FIFA peace prize might not be entirely legit.

Come on now. It looks like he’s successfully stopped the raging war between the US and Venezuela in 1 day. No one else could possibly have done that. That must be 19 wars ended now. Hero.