America Bombs Venezuela

Blue Mist said:
And Trumps lackeys, sorry prosecutors will produce some evidence (cough) to show Maduro fixed the election, no matter if true or not. Therefore he is not legitimately entitled to immunity.

If however he, Maduro, runs a defence of 'here's a million dollars Trump junior' then he will get off the charges.
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Why do parody when the actual indictment includes "possession of machine guns"?
 
Tb1981 said:
I don’t actually think trump is arsed about Russia
That’s why he has done what he has to Iran and Venezuela

The problem is the only way of ending the Ukraine war is to try and give Putin a way out.
With the best will in the world arming them won’t get them their territory back.
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No rational person expects Ukraine to get any meaningful territory back by force at this stage, but that isn’t the point any more. If Russia stops fighting, the war is over, if Ukraine stops it will be overwhelmed so they simply don’t have any choice.

As to Trump not being arsed about Russia, that’s not very precisely put so it’s hard to for me to fully understand what you mean by that exactly, but putting it as kindly as I can, he has a long history of doing business there, refers to its murderous leader (who he rolled the red carpet out for) by his first name, has repeatedly sided with Russia against Ukraine and consistently failed to follow up with threats against the former. He wants them back in the G8.

There are clear inferences that the relationship between Trump and Russia is more nefarious and venal than that, but what I have said above is completely undeniable and is not in accordance with someone who is not arsed.
 
Tb1981 said:
I don’t actually think trump is arsed about Russia
That’s why he has done what he has to Iran and Venezuela

The problem is the only way of ending the Ukraine war is to try and give Putin a way out.
With the best will in the world arming them won’t get them their territory back.
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Why does Putin need a way out?. He isn't going to held to account by the Russian people nor does he a monkey's about his international image
 
Postman Pep said:
Why do parody when the actual indictment includes "possession of machine guns"?
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Did wonder about that. Understand how the drugs trafficking could fly, as the gear could be said to have made it to US shores, but can’t see how they can make the machine gun charge stick when (presumably) the possession occurred in another jurisdiction. It appears akin to being charged in the UK for doing 100 mph on an autobahn, unless I’m missing something.

Think the trial, assuming there is one, will be interesting. The defence are obviously going to try and get the case dismissed for international law/jurisdictional reasons, which will most likely end up at the Supreme Court. It’s not absolutely nailed on he’ll be convicted by a New York jury either, when you look at the current politics of that city. You could end up with a Clive Ponting-type verdict. Curious choice of venue. They would have been far better trying him in Alabama!
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Just been listening to one of the more morning news shows (MSNBC) over here in the US and they have essentially just normalised a military operation to  arrest kidnap a foreign leader. In fact actively praising those who planned and took part in such a 'perfectly executed' plan.

Back-slapping cunts talking about how the should divide the spoils, and who they should put in charge.
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What really Pissed me off is that I have not seen anywhere a definitive number of people murdered in the attack. No one has even apologised for the innocent lives lost. Our gutter press are complicit in this silence by just reporting on why the attack took place and what is going to happen to their president and his likely innocent wife.
I feel for the families involved and there should be a national day of mourning in Venezuela when the funerals take place. Trump is the bully and dictator and is the biggest threat to world peace. There will be more countries to follow if he feels it's in the US As interests.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Did wonder about that. Understand how the drugs trafficking could fly, as the gear could be said to have made it to US shores, but can’t see how they can make the machine gun charge stick when (presumably) the possession occurred in another jurisdiction. It appears akin to being charged in the UK for doing 100 mph on an autobahn, unless I’m missing something.

Think the trial, assuming there is one, will be interesting. The defence are obviously going to try and get the case dismissed for international law/jurisdictional reasons, which will most likely end up at the Supreme Court. It’s not absolutely nailed on he’ll be convicted by a New York jury either, when you look at the current politics of that city. You could end up with a Clive Ponting-type verdict. Curious choice of venue. They would have been far better trying him in Alabama!
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My only surprise is that they didn't multiply every charge by x amount of years and come up with 115
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Did wonder about that. Understand how the drugs trafficking could fly, as the gear could be said to have made it to US shores, but can’t see how they can make the machine gun charge stick when (presumably) the possession occurred in another jurisdiction. It appears akin to being charged in the UK for doing 100 mph on an autobahn, unless I’m missing something.

Think the trial, assuming there is one, will be interesting. The defence are obviously going to try and get the case dismissed for international law/jurisdictional reasons, which will most likely end up at the Supreme Court. It’s not absolutely nailed on he’ll be convicted by a New York jury either, when you look at the current politics of that city. You could end up with a Clive Ponting-type verdict. Curious choice of venue. They would have been far better trying him in Alabama!
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I think it's just customary for this sort of complex case about crimes outside the US is held in one of a small number of places - South District NY, or somewhere in Virginia (I think, might be West Virginia) are the main ones. Maybe they have a more unpleasant prison in NY!
 
MillionMilesAway said:
I think it's just customary for this sort of complex case about crimes outside the US is held in one of a small number of places - South District NY, or somewhere in Virginia (I think, might be West Virginia) are the main ones. Maybe they have a more unpleasant prison in NY!
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West Virginia makes sense.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Did wonder about that. Understand how the drugs trafficking could fly, as the gear could be said to have made it to US shores, but can’t see how they can make the machine gun charge stick when (presumably) the possession occurred in another jurisdiction. It appears akin to being charged in the UK for doing 100 mph on an autobahn, unless I’m missing something.

Think the trial, assuming there is one, will be interesting. The defence are obviously going to try and get the case dismissed for international law/jurisdictional reasons, which will most likely end up at the Supreme Court. It’s not absolutely nailed on he’ll be convicted by a New York jury either, when you look at the current politics of that city. You could end up with a Clive Ponting-type verdict. Curious choice of venue. They would have been far better trying him in Alabama!
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I was thinking about this earlier. Unless the court is a complete sham, then the law will dictate that half the charges are instantly not relevant, and the rest are dubious as fuck, as well as the legality of how the defendant ended up in the court. From a legal point of view, it's a "this shouldn't be happening", but there's no way that's going to happen, so what happens? We shall find out.
 
Blue Mist said:
Bill, good to have you back.
In response to your post. American bases are there because of a perceived Chinese threat but.....
What if Trump made a deal with Russia and China to divide the world. That would free up his military deployed in Australia to go after countries in his sphere on the new world order.

It sounds insane but I reckon there is already a deal being discussed with putin.
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Thanks Misto mate, I've missed your sardonic wit. :)

Divide the world? Sounds like 1984.
America won't leave Australia, we are their base for what amounts to both sides of the Pacific.

Without them we'd be fucked though.
 
bluejon said:
I was thinking about this earlier. Unless the court is a complete sham, then the law will dictate that half the charges are instantly not relevant, and the rest are dubious as fuck, as well as the legality of how the defendant ended up in the court. From a legal point of view, it's a "this shouldn't be happening", but there's no way that's going to happen, so what happens? We shall find out.
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I fear the problem is that any dismissal on technical grounds is bound to be appealed and appealed by the prosecution until it lands at the Supreme Court where it will inevitably be quashed. I would genuinely put my house on that outcome.

Ironically, it’s like something from a tin-pot dictatorship.
 
Dannyblue52 said:
What really Pissed me off is that I have not seen anywhere a definitive number of people murdered in the attack. No one has even apologised for the innocent lives lost. Our gutter press are complicit in this silence by just reporting on why the attack took place and what is going to happen to their president and his likely innocent wife.
I feel for the families involved and there should be a national day of mourning in Venezuela when the funerals take place. Trump is the bully and dictator and is the biggest threat to world peace. There will be more countries to follow if he feels it's in the US As interests.
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There were no deaths, mate, keep up.




America is a shitstain on the world.
 
Bill Walker said:
Thanks Misto mate, I've missed your sardonic wit. :)

Divide the world? Sounds like 1984.
America won't leave Australia, we are their base for what amounts to both sides of the Pacific.

Without them we'd be fucked though.
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Maybe but we never thought a US President would openly threaten a Nato country Dennark/Greenland, attack (verbally) the e.u. and again the Mayor of London.
My point is, if he makes a deal with China, let's not fight, this is mine, that is yours he could give up Australia. He is certainly giving up Nato, the U.N. and Ukraine/Europe.


Oh and now I've got to go and Google sardonic.
 
Blue Mist said:
Maybe but we never thought a US President would openly threaten a Nato country Dennark/Greenland, attack (verbally) the e.u. and again the Mayor of London.
My point is, if he makes a deal with China, let's not fight, this is mine, that is yours he could give up Australia. He is certainly giving up Nato, the U.N. and Ukraine/Europe.


Oh and now I've got to go and Google sardonic.
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Sardonicism is form of wit or humour with a degree of cynicism or disdainfulness. It is more biting and negative than sarcasm, yet not entirely malicious. A sardonic person might participate in funny yet scornful mocking, or express uncomfortable truth in a clever way.

Describes you to a tee Musto :)
 


He is out there, he can't be bargained with, he can't be reasoned with, he doesn't feel pity or remorse or fear, and he absolutely will not stop… EVER, until you are dead.​


Text reads (I feel that 'free' is doing a quite staggering amount of work in this):

What a terrific team President Trump has assembled to make America prosperous and safe. After listening to President Trump and Secretary Rubio regarding the Cuban regime, I believe the liberation of Cuba from communist, America-hating, narcoterrorist dictators is near.

Free Cuba.

Long live the Donroe Doctrine.
 
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