It's just the new way of getting around 3rd party ownership. Buy a young player, just keep loaning them out in the hope they impress someone enough so you can sell them for a profit. Really shouldn't be allowed, there should be restrictions on the number of over 18 players a club is allowed, whether that be at the club or out on loan elsewhere
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Aminu Mohammed
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Neville Kneville
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I agree with you to an extent mate but you need to also look at it from a footballers prospective. Sign for city, play under some of the best coaches and facilities in the world and take the gamble at proving yourself worthy of game time. At the end of the day if it doesn't happen you've still had the best 'education' possible. I imagine that's exactly what city say to their prospective youth prospects.
Equally it's the reason I defend Sancho because it works both ways! He's had his education and now he needs to do what he feels is best for the next stage of his development.
The alternative might be to go straight into someone else's first team at 17, be brilliant, then move up to a better league.
Many of the players we sign have no contact with our coaches
Many of them only see City's academy when they pose for a photograph.
You do actually follow this stuff, & see what's going on yes ?
Maybe you dont from your comment but can you tell me any youth that have been loaned out under 18 or does your example only mean the likes of the over 18's that have progressed from youth level from our club or another club???
Why not let them develop somewhere else ?
Oh right, they can't do it without us, of course.
Many of them only see City's academy when they pose for a photograph.
You do actually follow this stuff, & see what's going on yes ?
Of course they can do it without us, but since we have some of the best facilities and coaches in the world, doing it with us logically leads to an improved chance of success.
What do you mean some of them only see the CFA when they do a photograph? Name one signing who this has happened to?
Lorenzo Gonzalez + Benjamin Garre + Aro Muric etc all play for the youth teams. Most of the really young (16-18) signings do.
The only reason players like this lad don't get to is because of the stupid work permit system.
Garcia, Diaz, Iheanacho etc either have done or will get a crack at the first team.
In fact the only ones who don't are guys like Moreno, Zinchenko and Unal who a) couldn't get work permits and b) are arguably already too advanced, so a loan was the next logical choice.
Neville Kneville
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Maybe you dont from your comment but can you tell me any youth that have been loaned out under 18 or does your example only mean the likes of the over 18's that have progressed from youth level from our club or another club???
I'm talking about young players in general, not this lad. We have signed various young kids who have barely even seen Manchester
If a club signs them from another club, it should be because they want to develop them for their own team, not so they can see if there are any takers & make a few quid.
It's wrong & if we were still City, as a fanbase, we would hate it.
Neville Kneville
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Of course they can do it without us, but since we have some of the best facilities and coaches in the world, doing it with us logically leads to an improved chance of success.
What do you mean some of them only see the CFA when they do a photograph? Name one signing who this has happened to?
Lorenzo Gonzalez + Benjamin Garre + Aro Muric etc all play for the youth teams. Most of the really young (16-18) signings do.
The only reason players like this lad don't get to is because of the stupid work permit system.
Garcia, Diaz, Iheanacho etc either have done or will get a crack at the first team.
In fact the only ones who don't are guys like Moreno, Zinchenko and Unal who a) couldn't get work permits and b) are arguably already too advanced, so a loan was the next logical choice.
Ever noticed any African lads in our EDS, other than Iheancho ? We have a whole bunch of them, still tied to City.
If we really wanted a work permit for such as Unal, we would have a very good chance of getting one. He would be taking the spot we have earmarked for Sanchez etc & not playing, that's why he's not here. Zinchenko was playing first team football, before we took him.
It wants stopping, worldwide.
Ever noticed any African lads in our EDS, other than Iheancho ? We have a whole bunch of them, still tied to City.
If we really wanted a work permit for such as Unal, we would have a very good chance of getting one. He would be taking the spot we have earmarked for Sanchez etc & not playing, that's why he's not here. Zinchenko was playing first team football, before we took him.
It wants stopping, worldwide.
How many times? They aren't playing for us because they can't get a work permit. Agyepong, Divine Naah etc haven't played internationals so can't be proven to be a special talent based on the points system, and certainly don't look like they'd be of the required standard anyway. Iheanacho only got one because he was already playing for the super eagles, none of the others are at senior level.
Can't you take even the slightest bit of joy in the fact that the team you love has taken these lads from being dirt poor and dreaming of playing football for a living and given them a shot at it? It's called the 'Right to Dream' academy for crying out loud!
If it was so easy we would have done it, the fact is its not easy and you don't have a bloody clue what you're talking about. And for the record, why the hell would Unal stand any more chance than Iheanacho? He is a poacher, which we don't use. He isn't a false nine, he can't play across the front 3, he isn't a proven goalscorer in a top league - what makes you think he would have Sanchez spot? He ticks literally none of the boxes.
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Even Ünal is just starting to get caps for Turkey but still not enough to get a permit because again, stupid work permit rules. The work permit rules are the biggest hurdle, also why we can't really get bargains. These other leagues don't have those sort of issues and that's why you see more younger players playing over there.
Neville Kneville
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How many times? They aren't playing for us because they can't get a work permit. Agyepong, Divine Naah etc haven't played internationals so can't be proven to be a special talent based on the points system, and certainly don't look like they'd be of the required standard anyway. Iheanacho only got one because he was already playing for the super eagles, none of the others are at senior level.
Can't you take even the slightest bit of joy in the fact that the team you love has taken these lads from being dirt poor and dreaming of playing football for a living and given them a shot at it? It's called the 'Right to Dream' academy for crying out loud!
If it was so easy we would have done it, the fact is its not easy and you don't have a bloody clue what you're talking about. And for the record, why the hell would Unal stand any more chance than Iheanacho? He is a poacher, which we don't use. He isn't a false nine, he can't play across the front 3, he isn't a proven goalscorer in a top league - what makes you think he would have Sanchez spot? He ticks literally none of the boxes.
What absolute bollocks.
Unal wouldn't be worth bothering with because you think he might not fall into one of Pep's plans ? FFS.
He is a young kid who would have needed bringing through. We aren't interested in doing that, so he's gone & we have a clause, which is good for both parties except, City are basically getting around 3rd party ownership with the deal.
If we wanted him at our club, we would likely have got him a work permit under the 'exceptional talent' rule (as he's ahead of where Iheanacho was) & he'd be playing now in our squad.
He knows he's got a good chance of going all the way to the top so he's not having any fucking about. If we really want him, we'll have to commit.
But as for the rest.
You said, THEY DON'T LOOK AS IF THEY'D BE THE REQUIRED STANDARD ANYWAY. Exactly. They weren't signed for us to play, they were signed for us to own. If we were doing it as a charity, we would just hand them permanent deals when they settle & let them get o with it, but we decide what they do & where they go, each year.
Nwakali was dubbed 'the Nigerian Naymar' and wasn't signed fron Right to Dream, he has a 4 year deal ending in 2018. You've never seen him.
It should be stopped worldwide, so the 'smaller' clubs can develop players we won't use & sell them for the market price, helping them get by.
When we were in that position, we would have gone fucking ballistic if Utd had taken SWP just as he was starting to come through & sent him to Holland then Turkey or Spain.
We would be screaming about how it wants stopping.
It's taken ten years for us to completely lose that identity & forget what it's like to be there & how it works.
Jazzman
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Is he our new Jadon Sancho?