An Evening with Gazza

gordondaviesmoustache said:
I’m sure I read he’d been inveigled into it by teammates. And this was acknowledged to be as such.
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Hmm. I remain healthily sceptical. But I'm not going argue all night about it. And by the way; in case anyone thinks I'm being biased, given my location; I have the same feeling about Artur Boruc famously/infamously making a sign of the cross in front of Rangers fans. He knew full well what he was doing.
 
jimharri said:
Hmm. I remain healthily sceptical. But I'm not going argue all night about it. And by the way; in case anyone thinks I'm being biased, given my location; I have the same feeling about Artur Boruc famously/infamously making a sign of the cross in front of Rangers fans. He knew full well what he was doing.
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I bet Artur isn’t anywhere as near as thick as Gazza...
 
Ive done Sportsmans dinners with Paul Merson and spoke to Ian Durrant at a gig in Largs. Both of them said Gazza was put up to the "flute playing " by McCoist. Pretty sure McCoist is on record admitting that.

He's clearly a troubled soul. Didnt his best friend get killed while he was very young?

Merson lived with him in Boro and said he never wore clothes in the house, he was always naked. They both used to take sleeping pills and have £1,000 bets who could stay awake the longest
 
jimharri said:
Hmm. I remain healthily sceptical. But I'm not going argue all night about it. And by the way; in case anyone thinks I'm being biased, given my location; I have the same feeling about Artur Boruc famously/infamously making a sign of the cross in front of Rangers fans. He knew full well what he was doing.
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You think?

He ran the length of the Ibrox pitch with a ‘God Bless The Pope’ t shirt waving an Irish tricolour

Our response was to put up a banner at next Ibrox Old Firm game ‘ Your Voodoo no worky’
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I’m sure I read he’d been inveigled into it by teammates. And this was acknowledged to be as such.
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Sorry pal but that is self serving/self preservation bullshit on their part, once they realised the consequences and that the shit had hit the fan
He did it again two decades later at a memorial game for the now defunct tax dodging club
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No.8 said:
He didn’t do during an old firm game. It was a European game and he was set up by Durrant , McCoist and Ferguson. He had no idea what it represented

Typical response from a fairly harmless gesture from the great unwashed. They threatened to murder him!
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More absolute bullshit from the fascist ‘kulcher’ that brought us the KKK and the post truth stylings of Donald ‘I’m the living embodiment of the establishment but still being victimised’ Trump
Multiple, multiple independent sources show it was after an old firm game in 1998. He was fined £20k by the former club and £40k by the SFA
What do you mean by ‘the great unwashed’ btw? Care to elaborate?
 
LongsightM13 said:
More absolute bullshit from the fascist ‘kulcher’ that brought us the KKK and the post truth stylings of Donald ‘I’m the living embodiment of the establishment but still being victimised’ Trump
Multiple, multiple independent sources show it was after an old firm game in 1998. He was fined £20k by the former club and £40k by the SFA
What do you mean by ‘the great unwashed’ btw? Care to elaborate?
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No8 gets personal, he didn’t agree with my argument, ONE post and called me a “massive knob” who would be put on ignore.

I don’t have a binary opinion on anyone’s posts on here and I don’t expect to be liked all the time, we all have opinions and I’m prepared to be educated even though I’m an FOC, there’s always room for reasoned debate. I wouldn’t condemn anyone for speaking their mind even if I disagree with the content, it’s freedom of speech that balances and questions polemics.
 
jimharri said:
I think you're being very generous to him there. Let me don my devil's advocate hat here; let's say he was, as you say, ignorant as to the meaning of his actions. Okay; fair enough. But why, then, did he choose that particular celebration, as opposed to, say, doing a funky chicken dance? Or something equally "wacky" or "zany". I think he knew full well what he was doing. Now; it could be argued that he was doing it to appeal to the Rangers fans, as opposed to winding up the Celtic fans. Only he can answer that.
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What’s the significance of the flute celebration?

LongsightM13 said:
Sorry pal but that is self serving/self preservation bullshit on their part, once they realised the consequences and that the shit had hit the fan
He did it again two decades later at a memorial game for the now defunct tax dodging club
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He looks like Les Battersby and Shirley from Eastenders sat in a sauna and melted together.
 
LongsightM13 said:
More absolute bullshit from the fascist ‘kulcher’ that brought us the KKK and the post truth stylings of Donald ‘I’m the living embodiment of the establishment but still being victimised’ Trump
Multiple, multiple independent sources show it was after an old firm game in 1998. He was fined £20k by the former club and £40k by the SFA
What do you mean by ‘the great unwashed’ btw? Care to elaborate?
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The famous picture of Gazza playing the flute was during a Euro tie. Pretty sure it’s Steau Bucharest

The incident you’re referring to was he did it in front of Rangers fans while warming up at Parkhead.

Alexis Michaelochenko (sp) also did it. Funnily enough no one seems to remember that. Again he was set up by team mates

How thin skinned do you have to be to be offended by someone mimicking playing a flute? He’s not even holding it properly which I find more upsetting. He could have at least held it right!!

Compare that to Boruc antics which we simply laughed off and mocked him back. Compare that to Leigh Griffiths behaviour. Kicking a flare into a stand full of supporters is a tad worse I’d say. Standing on stage at a fundraiser for the PIRA and singing songs celebrating that murderous gang is far worse.

There have been many far worse than Gazzas harmless high jinks.

If you are offended by that I’d suggest you’re the bigot. I’d suggest you’re the problem and not an Englishman who has no interest in bigotry
 
BlueTG said:
What’s the significance of the flute celebration?


He looks like Les Battersby and Shirley from Eastenders sat in a sauna and melted together.
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Some people just like to be offended. These are the same people that hate their own countries flag. The same people that boo their own national anthem. The same people that sang sickening songs after The Queen died. The same people whose club are the only club in Britain that refuse to have a poppy on their strip. They support a club who allowed a Pro IRA group to use their stadium in a video

But they are deeply upset that someone mimicked playing a flute
 
BlueTG said:
What’s the significance of the flute celebration?
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Flute bands are synonymous with loyalist/protestant marching bands in Northern Ireland in particular, but also in pockets in Scotland. So; to do the celebration he did in an old firm game, against a team who who's fans would see themselves as strongly catholic/republican could (repeat, could) be seen as provocative.

I'm sure Google or Wikipedia can add some more meat to the bones of the basics I've mentioned above.
 
jimharri said:
Flute bands are synonymous with loyalist/protestant marching bands in Northern Ireland in particular, but also in pockets in Scotland. So; to do the celebration he did in an old firm game, against a team who who's fans would see themselves as strongly catholic/republican could (repeat, could) be seen as provocative.

I'm sure Google or Wikipedia can add some more meat to the bones of the basics I've mentioned above.
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I had forgotten about the incident you refer to. No Celtic fans , or a very very few, saw him do it. Some photographers pictured it and the usual mock offended jumped on the bandwagon.

Many Republican bands play flutes.
 
No.8 said:
I had forgotten about the incident you refer to. No Celtic fans , or a very very few, saw him do it. Some photographers pictured it and the usual mock offended jumped on the bandwagon.

Many Republican bands play flutes.
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Yes; I'm aware of that. But if you ask most people, with a basic grasp of the two cultures in the North, who they'd associate flute bands with, I think a majority would say the loyalist tradition. Anyway; this thread is in danger of being derailed (for which I'm partly responsible, apologies for that). So let's try to get back to the subject of the thread, please.


Bucket of fried chicken, anyone?
 
jimharri said:
Yes; I'm aware of that. But if you ask most people, with a basic grasp of the two cultures in the North, who they'd associate flute bands with, I think a majority would say the loyalist tradition. Anyway; this thread is in danger of being derailed (for which I'm partly responsible, apologies for that). So let's try to get back to the subject of the thread, please.


Bucket of fried chicken, anyone?
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That’s fine but this one incident highlights the way Gazza was targeted by the media more than any other of that time. People actually do believe what they read in the media.

Gazza was a great player. His second goal against Aberdeen to win the league is often overlooked but it showed his power , pace , composure. Not bad for a guy who many believe he was past his best! His team mates at the time all say he was one of the best , if not the best, trainer at the club.

The great Rino Gattuso started at Rangers. He arrived at Rangers with nothing to his name. Gazza , who could speak Italian, took him under his wing. He took him into the City centre and told him the club had given him a cheque to buy whatever clothes he needed. Gazza told him it was a signing bonus. Of course Gazza paid for everything out of his own pocket but never let on. Rino went on to win Champions a league and World Cup and arguably the best DMs in World football.

Walter Smith told the story about the amount of times he fined Gazza for stories he read in newspapers regarding his partying. Many times Gazza protested his innocence but was fined anyway. Before a big game for the club Smith decided he’d let Gazza stay at his family home as he had been going through a rough time off the pitch. They went out for quite meal then back to Smiths home. On Monday morning the Scottish S*n ran a story of Gazza being on yet another bender. Gazza wasn’t even angry but joked about it and never let smith forget it.

Gazza has many mental health issues and he must have been truly awful to live with but I prefer to remember Gazza playing in Royal Blue in a great team who dreadfully underachieved in Europe. It is truly awful to see him the way he is now.
 
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