Angelino

[BlueCityfan]

It's literally his value though. Can you give examples of top teams selling assets for half their market values? Truth is, we're so bad in sales it borders on negligence. Harrison with an option to buy at 10m, Pedro Porro with an option to buy at 9m (less than we purchased him for and now voted Liga NOS defender of the month for 3 months straight) are two other examples. We need to stop deluding ourselves that we're genuinely trying to maximise sales; you don't insert options to buy on assets which can improve if that's the case.

It's criminal how bad we are at selling players. We can't even use the excuse that they aren't that good/wages are too high.

Angelino, Porro, Harrsion are all players that would have plenty of suitors. We'd be challenging the dippers for their net spend trophy if we could shift our quality loanees/youngsters for the same amounts that the dippers sell dross like Brewster, Solanke and Ibe for.

As for the pandemic excuse, we didn't do any better when teams were throwing silly money.

 

[Scaring Europe to Death]

Are we arguing over the fee or whether we don't need him?
I'm a bit confused.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

It's literally his value though. Can you give examples of top teams selling assets for half their market values? Truth is, we're so bad in sales it borders on negligence. Harrison with an option to buy at 10m, Pedro Porro with an option to buy at 9m (less than we purchased him for and now voted Liga NOS defender of the month for 3 months straight) are two other examples. We need to stop deluding ourselves that we're genuinely trying to maximise sales; you don't insert options to buy on assets which can improve if that's the case.

His "value" is what someone is prepared to pay for him, not what Transfermarkt say it is. We've got an agreement with Leipzig, which has now been triggered so that's what we get. The only reason he's been valued at €30m is because he's been playing regularly at the top level in Germany. No way he's worth that in our EDS squad.

 

[Centurions]

It's criminal how bad we are at selling players. We can't even use the excuse that they aren't that good/wages are too high.

Angelino, Porro, Harrsion are all players that would have plenty of suitors. We'd be challenging the dippers for their net spend trophy if we could shift our quality loanees/youngsters for the same amounts that the dippers sell dross like Brewster, Solanke and Ibe for.

As for the pandemic excuse, we didn't do any better when teams were throwing silly money.

If they'd had so many suitors why exactly didn't they bid? Do you really think we turned down a better offer just for shits and giggles?

 

[domalino]

It's literally his value though.

What the fuck are you talking about?

transfermarkt values are decided by their users. They're absolutely meaningless.

 

[AustinBlue]

Pandemic prices are all going to be different. Football clubs are getting crushed financially.

 

[HaalandEffect]

Back to normal prices

 

[WRicko]

Perhaps we sold him and others a bit cheap but it’s not like we are turning down bids then there is the corona issue

Plus it seems a bit unfair to have a go at Tixi for selling cheap when he is doing better than most in that he is getting players in either for value Dias or cheap Angelino on buy back and also finding great players for the academy and good players for CFG for purely selling Mooy and good players for CFG in general

 

[itisrising]

His "value" is what someone is prepared to pay for him, not what Transfermarkt say it is. We've got an agreement with Leipzig, which has now been triggered so that's what we get. The only reason he's been valued at €30m is because he's been playing regularly at the top level in Germany. No way he's worth that in our EDS squad.

Of course but the issue is we cap ourselves by consistently including options to buy on loan deals. What benefit, in hindsight, was it putting an option to buy on Harrison's deal to Leeds? Serves us no benefit and caps our potential income. Same for Porro. Why did we insist on a buyback at 35m on Angelino instead of a sizable sell on clause when, in reality, there's little to no chance he would return again? There's little economic justification for the decisions made recently.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Of course but the issue is we cap ourselves by consistently including options to buy on loan deals. What benefit, in hindsight, was it putting an option to buy on Harrison's deal to Leeds? Serves us no benefit and caps our potential income. Same for Porro. Why did we insist on a buyback at 35m on Angelino instead of a sizable sell on clause when, in reality, there's little to no chance he would return again? There's little economic justification for the decisions made recently.

We don't know what the economics are. But I do know that the board see investment in the Academy in financial terms and they look to get a financial return on that investment. So the likelihood is that the fees are factored in and that they meet certain investment criteria.

It's also better to be 100% certain of £18m than be 50% hopeful of £30m.

 

[Centurions]

Of course but the issue is we cap ourselves by consistently including options to buy on loan deals. What benefit, in hindsight, was it putting an option to buy on Harrison's deal to Leeds? Serves us no benefit and caps our potential income. Same for Porro. Why did we insist on a buyback at 35m on Angelino instead of a sizable sell on clause when, in reality, there's little to no chance he would return again? There's little economic justification for the decisions made recently.

3 deals is hardly consistent. Do we know any details (even rumours) about the Porro deal? I know they claim that they have an option to buy but other than that?

 

[Centurions]

His market value, according to transfermrket is 31.5m, we basically sold him for half his value. Really poor sale from us. I'm not sure why we struggle so much to sell our players for their true values.

Just to put this nonsense to bed, according to Transfermarkt:-

Angelino - £31.5mill
John Stones - £22.5mill
Eric Garcia - £18mill

Enough said?

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[WRicko]

How much in % terms have we made on selling Angelino I am guessing a lot more than through a selling clause but I agree I carnt see us buying him for 30 35 million better now getting a sell on fee I don’t think he is what Pep wants not a great defender and not an inverted full back / midfielder come full back that being said he would be a perfect replacement for Mendy not Zinchenko / inverted full back / midfielder or Ake type left / CB but know one will buy Mendy anyway

 

[BlueCityfan]

Just to put this nonsense to bed, according to Transfermarkt:-

Angelino - £31.5mill
John Stones - £22.5mill
Eric Garcia - £18mill

Enough said?

Manchester City - Detailed squad 25/26

Man City at a glance: The compact squad overview with all players and data in the season Overall statistics of current season.

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

To be fair, it was last updated when Ferna was playing ahead of Stones in defence. I'd imagine Stones will have a giant jump when it's updated.

 

[decmancity]

If you think we did well selling him for that price your the one thinking nonsense.

Denayer didn't have attitude problems, he was great at all of his loans and wanted to stay, Pep would only keep him 4th choice and he was better than that.

Tosin will develop in the premier league, and we will get nearly nothing for it when he inevitably becomes better. Wow what a good deal for us...

Holy crap atleast if my takes were nonsense you should say something good to show that, not the crap you spouted.

I didnt say we did well, you are the one who thinks we could get 30m for him.

Didn't have attitude issues yet booted someone in the head in the middle of the street. Proper up standing young lad....

He may do or may not, Fulham likely to get relegated, is someone going to come in for him or will he be knocking around in the championship? We will wait and see on that one.

 

[WallyA]

I didnt say we did well, you are the one who thinks we could get 30m for him.

Didn't have attitude issues yet booted someone in the head in the middle of the street. Proper up standing young lad....

He may do or may not, Fulham likely to get relegated, is someone going to come in for him or will he be knocking around in the championship? We will wait and see on that one.

Right, and me saying 30m is to say we didn't do well, so we agree. Any other club gets more for him, other posters have listed so many other examples on how poor we are here, and how much better other clubs have been, this is a fact.

Denayer had one "outside of football" incident and now he has "attitude issues",what a lazy take. He's been class for every club he's been at and hasn't had any issues at all similar to that one incident. Best defender in Ligue 1 (by Ligue 1 fans btw, not me).

If you think we did well with Tosin you are clearly just taking the piss. If your argument is who else wanted him, then my answer is:

"That's not my fucking job, that's the clubs job, and other clubs do much better at selling, my MAIN point".

 

[decmancity]

Right, and me saying 30m is to say we didn't do well, so we agree. Any other club gets more for him, other posters have listed so many other examples on how poor we are here, and how much better other clubs have been, this is a fact.

Denayer had one "outside of football" incident and now he has "attitude issues",what a lazy take. He's been class for every club he's been at and hasn't had any issues at all similar to that one incident. Best defender in Ligue 1 (by Ligue 1 fans btw, not me).

If you think we did well with Tosin you are clearly just taking the piss. If your argument is who else wanted him, then my answer is:

"That's not my fucking job, that's the clubs job, and other clubs do much better at selling, my MAIN point".

Agree to disagree mate. Have a good evening, cracking result tonight. Have a good weekend!

 

[WallyA]

Agree to disagree mate. Have a good evening, cracking result tonight. Have a good weekend!

You as well, sorry for sounding negative, not necessary after this game.

 

[kun]

To be fair, it was last updated when Ferna was playing ahead of Stones in defence. I'd imagine Stones will have a giant jump when it's updated.

Foden in valued around £40-50m too. Due a massive hike.

 

[MeatHunterrr]

It's literally his value though. Can you give examples of top teams selling assets for half their market values? Truth is, we're so bad in sales it borders on negligence. Harrison with an option to buy at 10m, Pedro Porro with an option to buy at 9m (less than we purchased him for and now voted Liga NOS defender of the month for 3 months straight) are two other examples. We need to stop deluding ourselves that we're genuinely trying to maximise sales; you don't insert options to buy on assets which can improve if that's the case.

But how the hell you can sell someone for an amount no one will offer anytime soon?!?

At the end of the day, a player is worth what buying club the player wants to go offers. You can look at transfermarkt and CIES and every single database, it doens't matter one bit.