Another good piece by Martin Samuel

[Blue Haze]

I do think Pep should get more credit than just inheriting a good side.

Most of the players at Barca have won literally everything. Multiple CL and La Liga, and a World Cup. Most of them could retire tomorrow and be among the most accomplished footballers to have ever lived, not to mention the richest. Pep makes them play with desire despite all of this. All these legendary players at one club and each one of them would follow Pep into hell.

He should get credit for that.

 

[MSP]

He should though I think it's much more complex thing than Pep alone.

It's more about Barcelona, than Guardiola.

They've went to same path since childhood, they're "brainwashed" since they were kids and they would probably react on similar way with some other manager. Barcelona legend Guardiola certainly helps to make them trying even more.

 

[bluecityboy]

I shake my head everytime someone tries to discredit Guardiola. Its like saying Fergie is nothing special beecause he's been successful with only one club.

Shake it more and you're going to realize that Ferguson did it with numerous generations while Guardiola haven't done anthing without Messi, Xavi and Iniesta in his team.

I'm not trying to discredit Guardiola, I've said he is doing brilliant job with Barca and part of their success is on him, but there's absolutely no guarantee he would do anything similar with some other team.

AVB was amazing with Porto, finished season in the league unbeaten, trashed opponents 6_1 in national cup, won EL. But what he did in Chelsea? Nothing..

Do you really think that the group of players we have would react on Guardiola on same way that Barcelona ones are doing? Most of them were raised with same philosophy, Guardiola is big name in their club's history and there' no "no" in barcelona when he says something.

You really think City players would have same kind of respect to him? Or United players would have same kind of respect to him as they have to Ferguson?

No chance!

Nobody doesn't know what kind of results Guardiola would do with other team. And nobody will not know that until he tries himself in some other club.

Why can't that club be us? For every AVB there's a Mourinho(success after leaving their first[or close to it] succesful club job).

 

[MSP]

I wouldn't mind Guardiola at all.

Though I think Mourinho is still better, I actually think that Guardiola would fit better to the style of football Mancini was trying to install here.

It's just that I am still not ready to say that he is "managing legend".

 

[Jumanji]

I don't think we can play the style of football Guardiola would try to instil. We simply don't have the personnel to do so.

Look at Enrique's lack of success in implementing the Barcelona brand of football at Roma.

I believe that Barcelona will never be as truly great when this current generation leaves. Just my opinion though ;).

 

[royle]

Why can't that club be us? For every AVB there's a Mourinho(success after leaving their first[or close to it] succesful club job).

Mourinho takes over already successful clubs,Chelsea finished 2nd the season before he took over,having already won an fa cup,a cup winners cup,been in a semi final of a champions league,they were a club used to and geared for success,Mancini has taken City from a long way back to get us where we are now,naturally it was going to take longer than one season.

Guardiola has taken an already successful team which with added messi has become an even better one,but any team with Messi in it would make any manager look great,i am not knocking his achievements i am just trying to point out managing already successful teams is a lot easier than managing teams who haven't won a sausage for years. Could Guardiola or Mourinho do that? Possibly,maybe,we will never know,because i can't see either of them signing up to be the next coach of Malaga.

 

[ElanJo]

Why can't that club be us? For every AVB there's a Mourinho(success after leaving their first[or close to it] succesful club job).

Mourinho takes over already successful clubs,Chelsea finished 2nd the season before he took over,having already won an fa cup,a cup winners cup,been in a semi final of a champions league,they were a club used to and geared for success,Mancini has taken City from a long way back to get us where we are now,naturally it was going to take longer than one season.

Guardiola has taken an already successful team which with added messi has become an even better one,but any team with Messi in it would make any manager look great,i am not knocking his achievements i am just trying to point out managing already successful teams is a lot easier than managing teams who haven't won a sausage for years. Could Guardiola or Mourinho do that? Possibly,maybe,we will never know,because i can't see either of them signing up to be the next coach of Malaga.

Hasn't worked with a bunch of argie managers :)

 

[MSP]

I don't think we can play the style of football Guardiola would try to instil. We simply don't have the personnel to do so.

Look at Enrique's lack of success in implementing the Barcelona brand of football at Roma.

I believe that Barcelona will never be as truly great when this current generation leaves. Just my opinion though ;).

Hm, I tend to think we were on right way at some point.

First 20 minutes at Stamford Bridge were probably the closest someone ever came to Barcelona.In both with or without ball play.

Of course they'll have hard time to keep it on this level. They may produce some great players but Messi type player won't pop up very often

 

[Jumanji]

I don't think we can play the style of football Guardiola would try to instil. We simply don't have the personnel to do so.

Look at Enrique's lack of success in implementing the Barcelona brand of football at Roma.

I believe that Barcelona will never be as truly great when this current generation leaves. Just my opinion though ;).

Hm, I tend to think we were on right way at some point.

First 20 minutes at Stamford Bridge were probably the closest someone ever came to Barcelona.In both with or without ball play.

Of course they'll have hard time to keep it on this level. They may produce some great players but Messi type player won't pop up very often

Thing is half of the Barcelona team has above average vision and will put someone through on goal in an instant.

Not only that, but they are so technical and can keep the ball in advanced positions..even passing it quickly as well.

We have shown glimpses of this, but Barcelona are of different class.

 

[MSP]

I don't think we can play the style of football Guardiola would try to instil. We simply don't have the personnel to do so.

Look at Enrique's lack of success in implementing the Barcelona brand of football at Roma.

I believe that Barcelona will never be as truly great when this current generation leaves. Just my opinion though ;).

Hm, I tend to think we were on right way at some point.

First 20 minutes at Stamford Bridge were probably the closest someone ever came to Barcelona.In both with or without ball play.

Of course they'll have hard time to keep it on this level. They may produce some great players but Messi type player won't pop up very often

Thing is half of the Barcelona team has above average vision and will put someone through on goal in an instant.

Not only that, but they are so technical and can keep the ball in advanced positions..even passing it quickly as well.

We have shown glimpses of this, but Barcelona are of different class.

Agree with that of course, you can't copy Barcelona with Milner, Barry or De Jong playing in midfield :)