Another gun massacre in the States (merged)

[Skashion]

Re: Another gun massacre in the States.

Skash- I'm a libertarian so long as decriminalisation does not infringe on the liberties of others. Unfortunately the yanks just keep proving that lack of gun control does indeed do that.

I understand where you're coming from but it isn't a libertarian viewpoint.<br /><br />-- Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:43 pm --<br /><br />

Indeed, Damo and I regularly shine our shafts together at the mere thought of it.

I know you do.

 

[TFC]

Re: Another gun massacre in the States.

Trying to do anything about gun ownership at this juncture would simply be a case of closing the barn door after the horse fucked off months ago.

Personally, I'm all over the shop with it. The 'right to bear arms' rhetoric gets right on my tits, but I do believe a person should be allowed to own a handgun in order to protect their homes. Dont think there is any need for open carry unless you are a trained professional, you shouldnt be allowed to buy automatic weapons, even the damage shotguns can do is frightening.

Basically, we live in a fucked up scary world and it aint getting any better.

 

[BETTER-DEAD-THAN-RED]

Re: Another gun massacre in the States.

i sensing that everybody wants to be the only on with a gun.

 

[BulgarianPride]

Re: Another gun massacre in the States.

Christ, will they ever learn?

http://news.sky.com/story/962756/reports-10-shot-dead-at-batman-film-premiere

They have the same relaxed gun laws in Canada, and they don't have anywhere near these problems. I don't mean to sound controversial, but its more to do with the culture and mentality of the US.

Shit like this happens in Canada too. There was a gang related block shooting killing a few kids just the other day in Toronto. <a class="postlink" href="http://www.calgaryherald.com/business/Grief+frustration+after+shootings+Toronto+block+party/6957955/story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.calgaryherald.com/business/G ... story.html</a>

And one of the killed victims in this shooting survived a Toronto mall shooting.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Batman+shooting+Gunman+kills+wounds+Dark+Knight+Rises+premiere+with+video/6967671/story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Batman ... story.html</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2012/06/20120603-085250.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/ca ... 85250.html</a>

 

[SWP's back]

Re: Another gun massacre in the States.

Skash- I'm a libertarian so long as decriminalisation does not infringe on the liberties of others. Unfortunately the yanks just keep proving that lack of gun control does indeed do that.

I understand where you're coming from but it isn't a libertarian viewpoint.

-- Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:43 pm --

Indeed, Damo and I regularly shine our shafts together at the mere thought of it.

I know you do.

Then I obviously can't be pigeonholed

 

[Skashion]

Re: Another gun massacre in the States.

Then I obviously can't be pigeonholed

Libertarianism doesn't allow you to tyrannise based on correlation. I have no doubt that installing CCTV into every home in Britain would reduce incidents of child abuse and domestic abuse, but we don't allow it. We punish individuals for their individual acts, not deprive everyone of a right in order to prevent the act from occurring. In theory it wouldn't matter if every person but one shot someone due to having completely open gun access, that person who didn't shoot anybody should not be deprived of their right to have guns. I really do sympathise with the argument on this one. Banning does appear to work for guns whereas it doesn't for drugs and prostitution, but I still hold to the libertarian principle that individuals should be deprived of their individuals rights only for causing harm against individuals, not society at large should be deprived of their rights at large.

 

[mammutly]

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Hand guns and automatic weapons are in a different category as the only purpose they have is to kill other people. By definition, anyone who wants such a weapon is a potential killer and therefore shouldn't be allowed to have one.

 

[SWP's back]

Re: Another gun massacre in the States.

Then I obviously can't be pigeonholed

Libertarianism doesn't allow you to tyrannise based on correlation. I have no doubt that installing CCTV into every home in Britain would reduce incidents of child abuse and domestic abuse, but we don't allow it. We punish individuals for their individual acts, not deprive everyone of a right in order to prevent the act from occurring. In theory it wouldn't matter if every person but one shot someone due to having completely open gun access, that person who didn't shoot anybody should not be deprived of their right to have guns. I really do sympathise with the argument on this one. Banning does appear to work for guns whereas it doesn't for drugs and prostitution, but I still hold to the libertarian principle that individuals should be deprived of their individuals rights only for causing harm against individuals, not society at large should be deprived of their rights at large.

Then Libertarianism is fatally flawed. Shame. Would you also allow every person the right to a tank out of interest? A fully functioning one.

As I say, I won't be pigeonholed then.

 

[Skashion]

Re: Another gun massacre in the States.

Then Libertarianism is fatally flawed. Shame.

Would you also allow every person the right to a tank out of interest? A fully functioning one.

As I say, I won't be pigeonholed then.

There is no perfect model sadly.

Yes.

Fair enough.

 

[ElanJo]

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Then I obviously can't be pigeonholed

Libertarianism doesn't allow you to tyrannise based on correlation. I have no doubt that installing CCTV into every home in Britain would reduce incidents of child abuse and domestic abuse, but we don't allow it. We punish individuals for their individual acts, not deprive everyone of a right in order to prevent the act from occurring. In theory it wouldn't matter if every person but one shot someone due to having completely open gun access, that person who didn't shoot anybody should not be deprived of their right to have guns. I really do sympathise with the argument on this one. Banning does appear to work for guns whereas it doesn't for drugs and prostitution, but I still hold to the libertarian principle that individuals should be deprived of their individuals rights only for causing harm against individuals, not society at large should be deprived of their rights at large.

Then Libertarianism is fatally flawed. Shame. Would you also allow every person the right to a tank out of interest? A fully functioning one.

As I say, I won't be pigeonholed then.

How?