Another new Brexit thread

[bluethrunthru]

I picked up on:
"Mr Johnson on Friday sought to reassure Labour MPs that the UK would not lower its employment, environmental or consumer standards after Brexit. He said that, apart from commitments included in the Brexit deal’s political declaration, there would be guarantees written into the implementation legislation for the agreement."

Which hardly explains why his deal removed those elements from the WA...

Unless he's lying of course. Just imagine.

exactly - who takes something out of some text to then add the same text, unaltered, back in - Johnson has such a track record of lying - just ask the DUP tonight - why the fuck would anyone trust him?

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

That is correct tbf. I love a drink, but I’m trying to rein it in. Not because it’s having a negative effect on my life, but because if I don’t, I’m pretty sure I’ll be dead before I’m 60.

Cheers!

Dont be too hasty. Mate of mine, just turned 60, drinks more than you and I put together. Likes a smoke too. Reckon he's got a good few beers left in him yet.
Having said that, I think they might have to detonate his liver out at sea when the time comes.

 

[mackenzie]

Fair play to you!

I think that applies more to older closet Tories to be honest ;-)

 

[Vic]

Brexit is that fucked up we’re about to see the British Army team up with Republicans to batter Unionists.

Wasn't that how things were at the start of the troubles?

 

[Vic]

That short a time frame........?

Country is riven and i dont see it fixing itself to be honest and unless we fix our democracy starting with getting rid of the two party system and the bias towards them at the voting booth we wont get anywhere.

We the electorate have to demand change because the last 3/4/5 years our parliament and politicians have let us down so badly in all areas.

Fresh start for us all.

Same electorate that turned down the chance for change?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Dont be too hasty. Mate of mine, just turned 60, drinks more than you and I put together. Likes a smoke too. Reckon he's got a good few beers left in him yet.
Having said that, I think they might have to detonate his liver out at sea when the time comes.

I only said ‘pretty sure’!

 

[Vic]

Imagine a parliament of 650 independents.

No party politics, no blindly voting like sheep just debate and consensus and genuine, sensible policy that benefits us all?

And not one elected with an overall majority.

 

[bluejon]

Whilst the rumblings of a delay might happen, bracing myself for the possibility that boris johnson, michael gove, priti patel, dominic raab and others just as cunty as the aforementioned might get their own way tomorrow. If a country gets the leaders they deserve, we're a right shower of dicks.

 

[Vic]

It is the prediction of all either way that is incorrect, I think financially a lot will be somewhat worse off not all though.

That's a Friday night post to end all Friday night posts.

 

[Vic]

If the threat of not doing a deal is necessary to get the EU to give us a good trade deal, how do we get a good deal with the USA when they just threaten us with no deal?

 

[bluethrunthru]

If the threat of not doing a deal is necessary to get the EU to give us a good trade deal, how do we get a good deal with the USA when they just threaten us with no deal?

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[Rascal]

I once had a conversation with my old man and he said as you get older you get more conservative.

Little did I know that at 49 i would be the English equivalent of the tea party!

I am the antithesis of that.

The older I get the more left wing I become. By the time I am 55 I will be an Anarcho-syndicalist

 

[Rascal]

I get more left wing as I get older

I love you Macca :)

 

[Vic]

(If I was listening) the one thing that would depress me today would be MPs who ought to know better saying "Let's end the uncertainty for foreign investors".

Foreign investor boardroom:

1. So are we going to invest in the UK if we're certain they're out of the EU?
2. Less likely than if they stayed in but maybe - if we knew what the new trade deal would be.
1. When will we know?
2. Might get some idea late next year.
1. What sort of deal?
2. Well, May's deal would have had a lot more certainty but Johnson has done away with maintaining a level playing field.
1. Could we get lower Labour costs? Could we pollute more?
2. He tells the ERG yes; Labour rebels he tells no.
1. Worst case scenario?
2. They don't do a deal at all and end up on WTO tariffs. Some mad Tory MPs really want that.
1. What will decide it?
2. If he doesn't win a majority in a general election, he might have to find some common ground with other parties.
1. If he wins an election?
2. Then it's up to three years of internal wrangling in the Tory party.
1. What's the weather like in Ireland?

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Same folk that don't want a GE and don't feel the 2016 referendum should be implemented insisting on a 'peoples vote'. Ycnmiu

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

It’s says we will erode workers rights?

Pretty sure we have things like general elections where god forbid people can vote out a government who say for instance shit on workers rights. You usually post a bit more sensibly but saying the deal erodes workers rights is a bit Untruthful and your second statement that we will all be worse off is a tad dodgy as well.

This brexit thread gets us all, on this trajectory you will be thread banning yourself come Sunday:-)

Think you're slightly missing the point here ..... the latest WA does remove the protections for workers rights, the environment and consumer protections, this is known as 'the level playing field' which ensures that all businesses have to abide by the same rules eg I cant compete against your chimney sweep business that abides by employment law by signing up a load of six year old kids to climb up the chimneys for 2p a day.

Removal of the 'level playing field' means that we will diverge from the Eu rules and by doing so will mean that we will not be able to negotiate a Free Trade Agreement in the future.

As I pointed out in an earlier post it looks like we are being sold to America.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

The unfettered backstop is a ruinous trap for the UK

Why do you and others still have to explain that fact

That alone means that this deal is better because it gets rid of the backstop

But is it as good as the deal we are getting now?

 

[mcfc1632]

Which once again is a COMPLETELY shit and idiotic idea.

How on EARTH are we expected to agree the best deal with the EU if we unilaterally tie ourselves to either accepting whatever shite the EU deem to throw or, or alternatively being locked in forever? What a stupid thing to do.

This is s serious question, Ric. If we rule out no deal then it immediately becomes in the EU's best interest to give us a shitty deal. Either we accept it (shit for us, great for them) or we stay tied to EU rules for even longer (shit for us, great for them).

Can you not see this? The Letwin option stitches us up a kipper. I suspect this is his intention actually, only some people are too daft to realise it.

I have been saying the same for 3 years

Westminster repeatedly acts to undermine the negotiating position of the UK

"We will not see movement from the EU unless and until they face the prospect of a viable No-Deal option - and the political will to use it."

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

 

[mcfc1632]

Fcuk's sake the ' backstop' is now hard wired into NI.
This is what the EU suggested initially, it was Mavis (our PM,your PM,Tory PM) who made it into a UK wide backstop and the EU said ok thank you very much.
So all BoJo has done is to reverse our ( the UK's) own stupidity and agree to the EU's original suggestion of their joint annexation of NI.

Sigh

The reality has been explained - several times - people just want to remain in denial it seems because that is easier than facing up to the facts