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Vic said:
I'm not sure if you're deliberately missing the point about why it's funny that French firms will be monitoring "our" waters, and a French firm will be printing our black passports.

Seriously, as we're perpetuating every law that derives from EU directives, until we change individual laws to something different, I presume that EU procurement laws still apply - and if we do away with that law, and reduce competition for providing services in the UK, prices for those services will go up. After all, hasn't one of the prime arguments against immigration been that immigration depresses wages? The obvious corollary is that prices will go up.
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I don't know why you don't want immigration Vic. As a nation with an ageing population that aspires to economic growth it's obvious that we need immigrants and plenty of them. You don't ordinarily strike me as a 'send them back' type, so tbh I'm surprised you buy into this sort of narrative.
 
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bluethrunthru said:
I have nothing against them - its the idea that all those folk who want Brexit to happen so the British Govt has control over our waters when the Govt they all want to "get it done" is busily doing the opposite - and in not an entirely open and fair way if you read the article I poster afterwards. All those who are so far into it they cannot see what a huge mistake it will be are slowly but surely going to have every single one of the promises they thought was in there removed by the bunch of charlatans who's lies they believed. And when we try and go back to a group we should never be leaving the final lie will be exposed - that we have a better deal than we could possibly have hoped for - when the EU say "you are welcome back but no longer on the terms you were enjoying"
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And what you have always, always failed to understand is that Brexit isn't about xenophobia to our European neighbours, it is a refusal to endorse a politicised Europe.

I'm convinced nothing will ever change your mindset on that fact because you are so utterly, tediously, close-minded.
 
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bluethrunthru said:
I have nothing against them - its the idea that all those folk who want Brexit to happen so the British Govt has control over our waters when the Govt they all want to "get it done" is busily doing the opposite - and in not an entirely open and fair way if you read the article I poster afterwards. All those who are so far into it they cannot see what a huge mistake it will be are slowly but surely going to have every single one of the promises they thought was in there removed by the bunch of charlatans who's lies they believed. And when we try and go back to a group we should never be leaving the final lie will be exposed - that we have a better deal than we could possibly have hoped for - when the EU say "you are welcome back but no longer on the terms you were enjoying"
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wow in other news carnival cruise ships sail from Southampton. Americans.

ooooohhhhh foreign companies provide services and goods in the uk. Scary stuff .
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
And what you have always, always failed to understand is that Brexit isn't about xenophobia to our European neighbours, it is a refusal to endorse a politicised Europe.

I'm convinced nothing will ever change your mindset on that fact because you are so utterly, tediously, close-minded.
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I think some folk genuinely confuse the EU with Europe. Even after leaving the EU we will still be in Europe / European. Those of us that are not xenophobic/racist are entirely comfortable with this.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I think some folk genuinely confuse the EU with Europe. Even after leaving the EU we will still be in Europe / European. Those of us that are not xenophobic/racist are entirely comfortable with this.
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But.. but will City be able to play in the UEFA Champions League?

Will we be able to watch Eurovision?

Will we be allowed to holiday in European countries?

And most important of all... Who will serve us our coffee in Pret!?!?!
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
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wow in other news carnival cruise ships sail from Southampton. Americans.

ooooohhhhh foreign companies provide services and goods in the uk. Scary stuff .
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yes but nobody promised a revival of the White Star Line to sail British built, owned and manned ships cruising either - Johnson and Farage promised their followers that they as in the UK would control our waters and fishing - not a Frnch Company that is part state owned. And as this was going on pre-election why did they persist with the lies to their followers about control of our own fishing.
 
bluethrunthru said:
yes but nobody promised a revival of the White Star Line to sail British built, owned and manned ships cruising either - Johnson and Farage promised their followers that they as in the UK would control our waters and fishing - not a Frnch Company that is part state owned. And as this was going on pre-election why did they persist with the lies to their followers about control of our own fishing.
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I think they meant after Brexit happens?
 
bluethrunthru said:
yes but nobody promised a revival of the White Star Line to sail British built, owned and manned ships cruising either - Johnson and Farage promised their followers that they as in the UK would control our waters and fishing - not a Frnch Company that is part state owned. And as this was going on pre-election why did they persist with the lies to their followers about control of our own fishing.
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The state of this post.
 
bluethrunthru said:
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA - Taking back control eh?






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Lazy exceptionalism meets cold reality. Get used to it.



French company wins licence to monitor British fishing boats
Brexiteers have long hailed the “sea of opportunity” that awaits British fishermen and women after the UK leaves the EU — but now it has emerged that their boats will be monitored by a French company.
thetimes.co.uk
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Genuinely cannot be arsed following the link, but genuinely doubt I need to....

For many years I have provided advice to government departments on how to conduct procurements under the EU regulations - I expect a good number of people on here have got similar experience.

The UK government in 2019 is obligated to use these regulations and, accordingly, this means that there can be no action taken by the UK government to ensure that a UK company is awarded the contract - or even that the evaluation process can show such favour.

Annoyingly, the UK are far more compliant with these regulations than other EU members.

Accordingly, I would expect a French or Spanish company to be far better placed to win such a contract on an evaluation that is strictly conducted under EU regulations.

This issue is actually an argument in favour of being free from EU constraints.

I am not surprised that you do not know this - you and others, in particular @Ifwecouldjust....... have a track record of posting links that it appears that you have either not read or are too blinkered to understand or not capable of understanding

You seem to see these links as silver bullets to shoot the Tories/Brexit with...

Invariably though your preferred target appears to be your own feet
 
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Mëtal Bikër said:
But.. but will City be able to play in the UEFA Champions League?

Will we be able to watch Eurovision?

Will we be allowed to holiday in European countries?

And most important of all... Who will serve us our coffee in Pret!?!?!
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The rebel remain alliance have detected a weakness in the leavers Brexit blue print called the channel tunnel - many Bothians died bringing us this information.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Genuinely cannot be arsed following the link, but genuinely doubt I need to....

For many years I have provided advice to government departments on how to conduct procurements undet the EU regulations - I expect a good number of people on here have got similar experience.
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Yes I expect there are many bluemooners with experience of advising government departments, scores if not hundreds. The rest of them just don’t like to harp on about it though
 
journolud said:
Yes I expect there are many bluemooners with experience of advising government departments, scores if not hundreds. The rest of them just don’t like to harp on about it though
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We've all done our bit. I got DCLG planning guidance changed on heritage buildings because it was ambiguous. They didn't even want to negotiate. Civil servants like nothing better than a member of the public actually taking an interest and asking if they meant what they wrote.
 
bluethrunthru said:
I have nothing against them - its the idea that all those folk who want Brexit to happen so the British Govt has control over our waters when the Govt they all want to "get it done" is busily doing the opposite - and in not an entirely open and fair way if you read the article I poster afterwards. All those who are so far into it they cannot see what a huge mistake it will be are slowly but surely going to have every single one of the promises they thought was in there removed by the bunch of charlatans who's lies they believed. And when we try and go back to a group we should never be leaving the final lie will be exposed - that we have a better deal than we could possibly have hoped for - when the EU say "you are welcome back but no longer on the terms you were enjoying"
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See my previous reply....

If this is an example of the quality of your arguments then I am afraid that the facts are that you - and those that liked your post - actually and simply do not know what you are talking about

For quite a few of you it is like Shakespeare was able to look into the future and had you in mind when he coined "Hoisted by your......"
 
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Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I don't know why you don't want immigration Vic. As a nation with an ageing population that aspires to economic growth it's obvious that we need immigrants and plenty of them. You don't ordinarily strike me as a 'send them back' type, so tbh I'm surprised you buy into this sort of narrative.
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Are you deliberately not getting the point, or just not getting the point? It's not been my argument that immigration depresses wages but it's been one that several Brexit supporters have made (not you). I don't especially want immigration, but agree with you as to why we need immigrants. I've posted plenty about historic immigration (from when half the population of Norwich was foreigners to celebrating the Flemish Weavers and all the other Europeans who helped our industrial growth in Manchester - Beyer as in Beyer-Peacock, Ferranti, Renold, ICI, Dreyfus at Clayton Analine).
 
Vic said:
I'm not sure if you're deliberately missing the point about why it's funny that French firms will be monitoring "our" waters, and a French firm will be printing our black passports.

Seriously, as we're perpetuating every law that derives from EU directives, until we change individual laws to something different, I presume that EU procurement laws still apply - and if we do away with that law, and reduce competition for providing services in the UK, prices for those services will go up. After all, hasn't one of the prime arguments against immigration been that immigration depresses wages? The obvious corollary is that prices will go up.
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Oh dear - another poster that does not appear to understand the constraints of EU procurement regulations and just needs to aim at his foot when firing these silver bullets
 
journolud said:
Yes I expect there are many bluemooners with experience of advising government departments, scores if not hundreds. The rest of them just don’t like to harp on about it though
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You obviously forgot to add though....

But fair play - @bluethrunthru and @Ifwecouldjust....... - this really does show that you are posting shit and deceiving others and embarrassing yourselves

But back to your barb - my point was that there will indeed be many on here with practical experience of managing procurements under EU Regulations

You do not need to be advising at senior levels to have that experience.

And anyway - you need not make that point as after all - I am just embarrassing myself.

As @west didsblue and others have made clear on many occasions - I am just a liar and fantasist.....
 
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