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Vic said:
You and how many other companies? Are there enough warehouses to go round? (Answer: if we end transition without a trade deal there won't be.)
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Most companies won't need bonded warehouses. The only reason we might is because we have no UK business entity.

My advice to you is to relax and wait until it all pans out before collapsing in a heap.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Ehem, some caveats...

1) I'm not "on the right". I'm centrist/libertarian. So it's not my "position" at all.
2) You can continue to say what you like about brexit, naturally. But you can no longer do anything about it. So you have choices, don't you. Continue to bleat about how bad it's all going to be, comparing every local fruit store that closes down being "as a result of brexit", further isolating yourself from the common public who have voted in favour of this national policy twice now and generally be seen as the guy wearing "the end is nigh" billboard. Or, you can start thinking proactively; we're in this position, how can we best go about things to ensure the doom sentiments you bleat about don't materialise as your foresight has warned.

Something tells me you're in the "i'm not going to do anything proactive, because then i'll be helping make brexit a success, and we don't want that..." camp.

That's why you continue to old the position you do; you want brexit to fail, you need brexit to fail. Otherwise there's a possibility you may have been wrong on this issue, and anything (or in this case the least) you do to affect brexit being a successful venture, the better it helps you and your cronies.
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1. Right as in not wrong
2. You’re right I can no longer do anything about Brexit. I’m not bleating about it and will watch it unfold. I have worked for 40 years and continue to do so and whatever shade of government we’ve had have been proactive in planning for my future and making the best of the present.

Whatever has told you what I think and how I perceive things you need to stop listening to it
 
journolud said:
1. Right as in not wrong
2. You’re right I can no longer do anything about Brexit. I’m not bleating about it and will watch it unfold. I have worked for 40 years and continue to do so and whatever shade of government we’ve had have been proactive in planning for my future and making the best of the present.

Whatever has told you what I think and how I perceive things you need to stop listening to it
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I didn't.

It was aimed at those that continue to do so. If that's not you, you're not affected by my comments, are you.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
All of us, none of us, or (probably) somewhere in between with a mixture of winners and losers. Also worth bearing in mind that jobs/money may not be the motivating factor for many in the formation of their opinion.
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After nearly 4 years I would say the economy isn’t the main motivation for a huge percentage of half the country.
 
mcfc1632 said:
I actually agree with all that

...That is how some of the residual Remainers view Brexit IMO. The point I make is that it is the health of our nation they should be supporting and stop being gratuitously negative towards the UK - which continues to be their modus operandi - again IMO
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Scotland and NI have elected assemblies that are hostile to the current Govts position on Brexit, and as countries rejected Brexit in principle, so I don’t really think any of us on here expressing negativity are going to matter much when it comes to the ‘health of our nation’.

Additionally it would be helpful if the Govt dropped its policy of talking shite before the inevitable u turns further down the line. Those of us who can remember the good old days of ‘they can whistle for their £39 billion’ and ‘there is no way a British Govt can agree to sunder our great nation with an internal border’ remain sceptical at any great claims at what we will do later this year when impressive rhetoric meets the reality of actual negotiations. Johnson ratted out on his ‘bung a bob for a bong’ in a matter of days so why anyone bothers with anything he or the Govt says on anything let alone Brexit is beyond me.
 
Ban-jani said:
After nearly 4 years I would say the economy isn’t the main motivation for a huge percentage of half the country.
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Yet during that time most Remainers chose to base their debate around this, and we find ourselves at the current point. Not a surprise I suppose
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Yet during that time most Remainers chose to base their debate around this, and we find ourselves at the current point. Not a surprise I suppose
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I think it’s one of the fundamental mistakes of the remain argument. I was often arguing as if I was trying to convince a carbon copy of myself, a late 20 something professional in a critical point in my career, who needs a strong economy.

I feel I’m quite good in my job at empathising with colleagues and clients but it was a big oversight with the electorate, from me.
 
Ban-jani said:
I think it’s one of the fundamental mistakes of the remain argument. I was often arguing as if I was trying to convince a carbon copy of myself, a late 20 something professional in a critical point in my career, who needs a strong economy.

I feel I’m quite good in my job at empathising with colleagues and clients but it was a big oversight with the electorate, from me.
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Very difficult to appeal to people with no skin in the game whose pensions are triple-locked and paid for by those with skin in the game.
 
Vic said:
Very difficult to appeal to people with no skin in the game whose pensions are triple-locked and paid for by those with skin in the game.
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Around 40% of young people, who had skin in the game, voted for Brexit. I think you’re oversimplifying it.
 
Ban-jani said:
Around 40% of young people, who had skin in the game, voted for Brexit. I think you’re oversimplifying it.
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I think your definition of "young" must be different from mine.

I'm not sure there's a better analysis of the age profile of who voted than Ashcroft's poll.

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Mëtal Bikër said:
I didn't.

It was aimed at those that continue to do so. If that's not you, you're not affected by my comments, are you.
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You said this in direct response to me:

Something tells me you're in the "i'm not going to do anything proactive, because then i'll be helping make brexit a success, and we don't want that..." camp.

That's why you continue to old the position you do; you want brexit to fail, you need brexit to fail. Otherwise there's a possibility you may have been wrong on this issue, and anything (or in this case the least) you do to affect brexit being a successful venture, the better it helps you and your cronies.

I know it's a leave thing to backtrack on promises and pledges and to shift the goalposts but that was good going even for you
 
journolud said:
You said this in direct response to me:

Something tells me you're in the "i'm not going to do anything proactive, because then i'll be helping make brexit a success, and we don't want that..." camp.

That's why you continue to old the position you do; you want brexit to fail, you need brexit to fail. Otherwise there's a possibility you may have been wrong on this issue, and anything (or in this case the least) you do to affect brexit being a successful venture, the better it helps you and your cronies.

I know it's a leave thing to backtrack on promises and pledges and to shift the goalposts but that was good going even for you
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In that instance those comments were aimed at you, because that's how you were coming across.

The other earlier comments were not and were meant generally, to those who say them. So no "backtracking" here, just another remainer who doesn't initially understand.

That's why it becomes so much easier to hold a discussion when you pay attention.
 
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