Another new Brexit thread

[Vic]

Don't worry. Parliament is on top of it.

The Government would risk appearing naïve if it assumed that assent-in-principle to roll over an agreement constitutes a guarantee that roll-over is actually certain to occur at the point of Brexit. It must be realistic about the steps that are necessary to get new agreements in place—and have contingency plans for the eventuality that the third countries concerned change their minds. This must include the pursuit of bilateral arrangements with each party with whom the UK currently has arrangements by virtue of its membership of the EU.

(March 2018)

 

[bluethrunthru]

cutting our own throats

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...illed-britons-head-to-the-eu?CMP=share_btn_tw

 

[dave_blue12]

 

[mcfc1632]

So??

That article also provided nothing of real substance when @bluethrunthru posted it

There is a bad habit of Remainers to not read - or if they do read then not think about/analyse/assess - the content of the articles that they post

Where is the 'shocking news' in that article?

What is happening that is other than logical and commonsense?

 

[bluethrunthru]

So??

That article also provided nothing of real substance when @bluethrunthru posted it

There is a bad habit of Remainers to not read - or if they do read then not think about - the articles that they post

Where is the 'shocking news' in that article?

What is happening that is other than logical and commonsense?

Oh I read it alright. How is it that when Labour were proposing a rise in the top rate of tax that was something that would drive the UK's talent away and that was a bad thing - now there is evidence that Brexit is having the same effect its just shrug our shoulders and say "oh well" ? Double standards or what?

 

[mcfc1632]

Oh I read it alright. How is it that when Labour were proposing a rise in the top rate of tax that was something that would drive the UK's talent away and that was a bad thing - now there is evidence that Brexit is having the same effect its just shrug our shoulders and say "oh well" ? Double standards or what?

I did acknowledge that some of you might read articles you post (some clearly do not) - but also mentioned the other deficiency in quite a few of those cases - like this one

And of course - there you go with your agenda again

Why are you mentioning Labour and tax policy - totally irrelevant for anyone that is not agenda obsessed

Actions being taken, as reported in this article, are simply commonsense actions and in no way 'shocking news'

 

[BobKowalski]

Oh I read it alright. How is it that when Labour were proposing a rise in the top rate of tax that was something that would drive the UK's talent away and that was a bad thing - now there is evidence that Brexit is having the same effect its just shrug our shoulders and say "oh well" ? Double standards or what?

Because it’s in support of a policy Brexiteers support. The FT is running articles on the £1 billion cost to the Chemicals industry of Regulatory duplication, and that’s just one industry, but this will be now seen as a ‘necessary’ cost and a price worth paying even if Leave was predicated on the exact opposite ie the removal of cost and regulatory burden.

Leave talked about cheaper goods and cheaper food or more resources for the NHS, yet Brexiteers will happily embrace higher trade barriers, tariffs, and higher costs on UK industries even though the logical end point is more expensive goods and expensive food.

Brexit started as an article of faith and is now a cult and you cannot reason with a cult.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Because it’s in support of a policy Brexiteers support. The FT is running articles on the £1 billion cost to the Chemicals industry of Regulatory duplication, and that’s just one industry, but this will be now seen as a ‘necessary’ cost and a price worth paying even if Leave was predicated on the exact opposite ie the removal of cost and regulatory burden.

Leave talked about cheaper goods and cheaper food or more resources for the NHS, yet Brexiteers will happily embrace higher trade barriers, tariffs, and higher costs on UK industries even though the logical end point is more expensive goods and expensive food.

Brexit started as an article of faith and is now a cult and you cannot reason with a cult.

Exactly.

Show me any evidence of a brexiteer acknowledging that brexit will result in more red tape and bureaucracy and that will have a negative economic impact and will push up prices. You wont find it as they all believe the BS. They think that Brussels ios the source of red tape and once you leave you have more freedom. Their are cabinet members who believe this bollocks. They are thick.

 

[dave_blue12]

Because it’s in support of a policy Brexiteers support. The FT is running articles on the £1 billion cost to the Chemicals industry of Regulatory duplication, and that’s just one industry, but this will be now seen as a ‘necessary’ cost and a price worth paying even if Leave was predicated on the exact opposite ie the removal of cost and regulatory burden.

Leave talked about cheaper goods and cheaper food or more resources for the NHS, yet Brexiteers will happily embrace higher trade barriers, tariffs, and higher costs on UK industries even though the logical end point is more expensive goods and expensive food.

Brexit started as an article of faith and is now a cult and you cannot reason with a cult.

Totally agree. The Brexiteer arguments on here have become totally ludicrous yet they have no awareness of the mental gymnastics being performed to keep Brexit as a worthwhile exercise in their minds.

It makes engagement with them pointless.

As an aside I am planning to leave the UK as soon as my youngest finishes university. This would have been unthinkable just a few years ago as my wife really is a home bird, however she is sick of Brexit and our Vote Leave Government and so we will be off. No one should be surprised that those who have options choose to exercise them.

 

[BobKowalski]

FT also running a take down on Freeports which after taking the country out if Single Market seem to be an attempt to replicate Single Market conditions in a few designated spots, some of which held by people who support Brexit and stand to make a few bob on the back of re-zoning and development of these few designated spots. Graft will be biggest boom industry in the UK :)

In other news Liz Truss is off to Washington to demand the US lift tariffs on Haggis and Scotch, apparently tariffs and trade barriers are ‘bad things’, except when it comes to Europe of course.

 

[bluethrunthru]

FT also running a take down on Freeports which after taking the country out if Single Market seem to be an attempt to replicate Single Market conditions in a few designated spots, some of which held by people who support Brexit and stand to make a few bob on the back of re-zoning and development of these few designated spots. Graft will be biggest boom industry in the UK :)

In other news Liz Truss is off to Washington to demand the US lift tariffs on Haggis and Scotch, apparently tariffs and trade barriers are ‘bad things’, except when it comes to Europe of course.

wait until she explains whats in a Haggis to Trump - instead of tinkering with tariffs he'll ban them from the USA - which would be bad coz I like them.

 

[BobKowalski]

wait until she explains whats in a Haggis to Trump - instead of tinkering with tariffs he'll ban them from the USA - which would be bad coz I like them.

Just realised. They are banned because it contains sheep lung. Think Truss’s mission just got harder.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Just realised. They are banned because it contains sheep lung. Think Truss’s mission just got harder.

It's also made harder by the fact she is thick as pig shit.

 

[inbetween]

wait until she explains whats in a Haggis to Trump - instead of tinkering with tariffs he'll ban them from the USA - which would be bad coz I like them.

Duping our apprentices with tales of hunting for wild Haggis is a favourite of mine!

 

[Vic]

Exactly.

Show me any evidence of a brexiteer acknowledging that brexit will result in more red tape and bureaucracy and that will have a negative economic impact and will push up prices. You wont find it as they all believe the BS. They think that Brussels ios the source of red tape and once you leave you have more freedom. Their are cabinet members who believe this bollocks. They are thick.

I don't think any Brexit supporters on here believe the BS. They just don't care now. But it has yet to get through to many Tory MPs.

 

[Vic]

I certainly believe it will result in more red tape and bureaucracy, but I'm also thick so don't quite fit your lazy brexiteer profile. What a conundrum :-(

Did you know it would result in more red tape and bureaucracy when you voted? Suddenly 17m* Leave voters all knew the Leave campaign were lying when they said it would mean less.

* figure extrapolated from the Leave voters on here who all knew exactly what they were voting for and took no notice of any campaign whether Leave's lies or Farage's racism (but all seem to recall Project Fear).

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

I don't think any Brexit supporters on here believe the BS. They just don't care now. But it has yet to get through to many Tory MPs.

Whatever they believe there is no point engaging any more. I think they know its heading for a shit show. A massive shit show and it's on them. There is no point debating it now. The detail will come out over the next 6 months and the impact will be undeniable.

 

[Vic]

wait until she explains whats in a Haggis to Trump - instead of tinkering with tariffs he'll ban them from the USA - which would be bad coz I like them.

Tell him how few cases of Covid there are in Scotland. He'll have them injecting haggis.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Whatever they believe there is no point engaging any more. I think they know its heading for a shit show. A massive shit show and it's on them. There is no point debating it now. The detail will come out over the next 6 months and the impact will be undeniable.

It'll be straightforward enough just to blame any economic bad news on Covid I suppose.

 

[west didsblue]

It'll be straightforward enough just to blame any economic bad news on Covid I suppose.

Yep.
That’ll work for about 17 million of the population because that’s what they’ll want to believe.