Another new Brexit thread

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johnnytapia said:
We'll have to agree to disagree. I see, first hand, how easy it is for EU passport holders to circumvent the "support themselves" "have work available" criteria. Regularly.
But we're going 'round in circles, so we'll see what happens. As an aside, I don't think we'll leave with no-deal. I think there'll be a break in the current impasse. I do think we'll be leaving though, something I wasn't sure would happen under May and for that, Johnson gets my credit.
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Well give me an example? The Bulgarian girl who directly reports into me, as well as the Romanian who also reports into the same Director as me, have both described to me the process of coming here. One had to not only gain a university place but also work whilst she was there. The other had a set period to find work.

As Westdids says, 75% is in our control, so what’s the point of making ourselves worse off and less powerful when we can’t even bring that down?
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
Don't disagree with you MB, but the same could be said of why you had such an ill-prepared referendum in the first place.
This whole thing is playing out how it started, as nothing more than political rivalries between parties and inter-party.
I'd argue that you should have had all that internal squabbling sorted first before voting to leave, but how-or-never, you did and you are where you are.

Maybe going forward the only way is to have a GE and elect a parliament that will pass a clear exit strategy/deal/no deal.

Something is badly broken in Britain and from the outside looking in, apart from how much damage it's going to do to us in the ROI, the bit that rankles most is the constant passing of the blame. By all means leave. But the onus is on you to sort out your own parliament, to get it done.

Life will go on, even after a no deal. Expecting it to be the same or better is not an option though.
Leaving on a no deal will not be the end of it either. It's only the beginning. You've a helluva mess on your hands for a while.
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The Conservatives have continued to press forward with leaving as a result of the referendum. It had no legal basis to be implemented... except the majaority of Parliament voted to invoke A50, and again voted to scrap revoking A50, so Parliament, whether they like it or not, are committed.

The problem with holding a GE is that it's a waste of time and would solve nothing, except the personnel now in charge of delivering brexit that P'ment has ratified. We can only sort out our own P'ment after we sort out the political union with 27 other European nations. Get thaty resolved and then we, the public, can vote in which party will be charged with moving forward. Ignoring it means we have the same issues over and over again, with the Brexit Party muddying the waters and halting us from progressing onwards, because in light of refusing to deliver brexit, they WILL keep the issue relevant.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
Well take that up with the MPs they rejected it three times.
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Yes, but most Brexit supporters on here where against it and some have even said revoking was preferable to Mays deal. Of course our current PM also voted against it, the first two times anyway, then he supported it, now he’s against it again.
 
johnnytapia said:
And it's been explained to you how easy it is for anyone with the golden ticket, the EU passport, to flout any and all controls. Once we leave, that golden ticket will be worthless. And immigration can and hopefully will fall to sustainable levels.
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You're Willie Wonka and I claim my fiver.
 
blueparrot said:
Yes, but most Brexit supporters on here where against it and some have even said revoking was preferable to Mays deal. Of course our current PM also voted against it, the first two times anyway, then he supported it, now he’s against it again.
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Like all compromises both remainers and leavers had issues with it and choose to elevate their own issues with it against the wider goal.

As many remainers as leavers voted against it , because they don’t want to compromise from their idealistic position .

That’s the problem we face now even if Boris comes back with a new deal solving some of the concerns it will still get voted down because labour will vote against it cos they hate the Tories, Lib Dem’s will vote against it because they said they will vote down any deal. Snp will vote against it as they hate the English.

We are then back to square one. I don’t know the answer .
 
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