Another new Brexit thread

[Saddleworth2]

and will basque in the glory of getting one over on the EU,

OMG, thats a vision I cant unsee.

 

[Saddleworth2]

"We will not see movement from the EU unless and until they are faced with the prospect of a viable walk-away option – and the political will to use it”

Who said that?

Thats the very first time I have seen that concept mooted on here. Well done @mcfc1632, I think you may have stumbled across something there.

 

[journolud]

OMG, thats a vision I cant unsee.

Not one to lingerie over

 

[BobKowalski]

The only one I’ve posted; about 8 posts up.

Would it have killed you to repost the link?

I just want a vaccine that works and an end to this Covid shite. That we want to beat the US and the EU by a month or two in announcing its authorisation I couldn’t give a monkeys, given I’m not planning to be first in the queue. Normally these things take years, so ‘yay’ we have a vaccine, but I’ll see how others get on with it first before sticking my arm out.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Not one to lingerie over

I'm still trying to cleanse my mind. Johnson in a corset ffs. What next? Gove in fishnets?

 

[jaseirai]

Would it have killed you to repost the link?

I just want a vaccine that works and an end to this Covid shite. That we want to beat the US and the EU by a month or two in announcing its authorisation I couldn’t give a monkeys, given I’m not planning to be first in the queue. Normally these things take years, so ‘yay’ we have a vaccine, but I’ll see how others get on with it first before sticking my arm out.

I was using another device without the app.

We are getting the vaccine earlier than the EU because we have left. They are not even having the meeting until after Christmas.
This is a clear benefit of leaving.

Come on, accept it and take a small step to the light side ;-)

 

[East Level 2]

"not me guv"..........however Johnson, Gove, Hannan, Farage, Raab and the rest of them are about to find they have to own the thing they were in denial about very, very soon.......bunch of liars

There's no chance of them owning it. The difficulties will all be down to Covid, and the EU being awkward.
This bloody pandemic will be used as an excuse for years to come.

 

[journolud]

I'm still trying to cleanse my mind. Johnson in a corset ffs. What next? Gove in fishnets?

It’s all about the fishnets

 

[Saddleworth2]

It’s all about the fishnets

Maybe that’s the personal concession he is keen to provide.

 

[Blue Hefner]

I was using another device without the app.

We are getting the vaccine earlier than the EU because we have left. They are not even having the meeting until after Christmas.
This is a clear benefit of leaving.

Come on, accept it and take a small step to the light side ;-)

The regulator disagrees with you

 

[jaseirai]

The regulator disagrees with you

If that is correct, what is the point of the EMA?

 

[Blue Hefner]

If that is correct, what is the point of the EMA?

There is no 'if' about it, that is what she said and I would say she is an expert on the matter. I don't know the first thing about the EMA so I am not in a position to ask your question but I would believe about this subject before the likes of Rees-Mogg, Richard Tice etc. who have jumped all over it

Dr June Raine, chief exec of the actual regulator MHRA: “We’ve been able to authorise supply of this vaccine under provisions under European law which exist until January 1st.”

A quick Google search in answer to the question "What is the difference between EMA and MHRA?", answer Any medicine licensed by the EMA is valid across all EU member states whereas a licence issued by the MHRA is valid in the UK only. ... The MHRA is the competent authority of the UK. It liaises with all the devolved Governments and advises the UK licensing authority.3 Aug 2017

 

[west didsblue]

There is no 'if' about it, that is what she said and I would say she is an expert on the matter. I don't know the first thing about the EMA so I am not in a position to ask your question but I would believe about this subject before the likes of Rees-Mogg, Richard Tice etc. who have jumped all over it

Dr June Raine, chief exec of the actual regulator MHRA: “We’ve been able to authorise supply of this vaccine under provisions under European law which exist until January 1st.”

A quick Google search in answer to the question "What is the difference between EMA and MHRA?", answer Any medicine licensed by the EMA is valid across all EU member states whereas a licence issued by the MHRA is valid in the UK only. ... The MHRA is the competent authority of the UK. It liaises with all the devolved Governments and advises the UK licensing authority.3 Aug 2017

There is nothing to stop individual EU states from approving a vaccine in their own country. Germany for example...
https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-germany-expects-vaccine-approval-by-mid-december/a-55756724
So it would appear that we're in the same position as every country in the EU. It's just that our MHRA has acted slightly quicker than some other countries, which is absolutely nothing to do with Brexit, and would have been more difficult after the end of transition.

 

[Vic]

The regulator disagrees with you

I didn't really understand the doctor's reply at first because she used the word "supply", which I took to be about logistics (getting vaccines at minus 80 degrees by truck from Belgium). On second hearing, she means the MHRA approval has been done under EU law, by the MHRA which has always been able to authorise medicines for UK use only (a national competence). That EU law becomes UK law on 1st January.

The EMA authorises medicines for use in all the EU. In future, for every medicine, not just vital vaccines against a killer disease, the UK will have to replicate at greater cost the EMA tests and approvals (part of what we got for our contributions).

And (for whatever reasons I know not) Pfizer only applied yesterday to the EMA for authorisation.

Plus the EMA has moved lock stock and barrel from London to Amersterdam.

The stuff about data access - is that relating to the vaccine being German?

If I was being generous I'd think Hancock was mistaken, but I assume he was just lying.

 

[Vic]

There is nothing to stop individual EU states from approving a vaccine in their own country. Germany for example...
https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-germany-expects-vaccine-approval-by-mid-december/a-55756724
So it would appear that we're in the same position as every country in the EU. It's just that our MHRA has acted slightly quicker than some other countries, which is absolutely nothing to do with Brexit, and would have been more difficult after the end of transition.

Is anyone now wondering if they should wait for the Germans to authorise their own vaccine, rather than trust the UK agency rushing approval so the government can turn it into pro-Brexit propaganda?

 

[BobKowalski]

I was using another device without the app.

We are getting the vaccine earlier than the EU because we have left. They are not even having the meeting until after Christmas.
This is a clear benefit of leaving.

Come on, accept it and take a small step to the light side ;-)

Because I can’t be arsed with this willy waving over a vaccine developed by a US/German venture and manufactured in Belgium as if somehow it’s a great win for the UK. It’s like we are permanently in ‘full kit wanker’ mode.

Switzerland isn’t in the EU and can’t authorise use of the vaccine because it doesn’t have sufficient data. Are we authorising it despite not having sufficient data? Are we tripping over ourselves to authorise it to ‘prove’ how great Brexit is? I like to think not, but given everyone who supports Brexit seems to have the mental capacity of a 5 year old it does make you wonder.

 

[jaseirai]

There is no 'if' about it, that is what she said and I would say she is an expert on the matter. I don't know the first thing about the EMA so I am not in a position to ask your question but I would believe about this subject before the likes of Rees-Mogg, Richard Tice etc. who have jumped all over it

Dr June Raine, chief exec of the actual regulator MHRA: “We’ve been able to authorise supply of this vaccine under provisions under European law which exist until January 1st.”

A quick Google search in answer to the question "What is the difference between EMA and MHRA?", answer Any medicine licensed by the EMA is valid across all EU member states whereas a licence issued by the MHRA is valid in the UK only. ... The MHRA is the competent authority of the UK. It liaises with all the devolved Governments and advises the UK licensing authority.3 Aug 2017

There’s plenty of if

The European Medicines Agency said it planned to give an opinion on the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine at a meeting on December 29. However, EU member states will still take several days to individually approve the regulator’s decision, meaning that distribution of the vaccine is unlikely until early January.

 

[jaseirai]

Because I can’t be arsed with this willy waving over a vaccine developed by a US/German venture and manufactured in Belgium as if somehow it’s a great win for the UK. It’s like we are permanently in ‘full kit wanker’ mode.

Switzerland isn’t in the EU and can’t authorise use of the vaccine because it doesn’t have sufficient data. Are we authorising it despite not having sufficient data? Are we tripping over ourselves to authorise it to ‘prove’ how great Brexit is? I like to think not, but given everyone who supports Brexit seems to have the mental capacity of a 5 year old it does make you wonder.

They can’t be bothered having a meeting until Dec 29th. Have they got something more pressing to do?

 

[blueparrot]

They can’t be bothered having a meeting until Dec 29th.

Yes, that'll be it.

 

[BobKowalski]

They can’t be bothered having a meeting until Dec 29th. Have they got something more pressing to do?

Who? The Swiss? How the fuck should I know and why would I care?

Just enjoy your US/German developed, Belgium manufactured vaccine and be grateful we’ve got the fucking thing and fingers crossed it actually works.

Honestly, you tedious, nationalist full kit wankers suck the fucking joy out of every bit of good news.