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Len Rum said:
It's a Cabinet office report issued recently, so it's not " old news".
If you can read the small print screenshot it seems an entirely feasible scenario of what's to be expected.
The risk to clean water supplies is a bit scary ( although this is stated as more of a possibility than likely).
The other noticeable issue is the way this report is being underplayed in the rest of the media, particularly the broadcasters.
I wouldn't be in the least surprised if the government had asked them to back off so as to avoid any panic.
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Got that back to front imo, the media lead the govmt, they are de facto "brexit" and have been since the witch /ditch. Everything quoted by the "likehood" on BM is proof just how insidiously successful the tsunami of anti-EU lies has been. Far right media barons leading the country to irreversible penury cheered on by xenophobes, bigots and ten bob tories is where we are.....
 
bellbuzzer said:
Got that back to front imo, the media lead the govmt, they are de facto "brexit" and have been since the witch /ditch. Everything quoted by the "likehood" on BM is proof just how insidiously successful the tsunami of anti-EU lies has been. Far right media barons leading the country to irreversible penury cheered on by xenophobes, bigots and ten bob tories is where we are.....
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So your not altogether happy with this then?
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
I know we have been distracted by VAR but I was puzzled nobody had actually posted or commented that the order commencing our official withdrawal on 31/10 has now been signed.

Isn’t that it ?
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So we're leaving regardless, officially now?
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
I know we have been distracted by VAR but I was puzzled nobody had actually posted or commented that the order commencing our official withdrawal on 31/10 has now been signed.

Isn’t that it ?
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I saw it yesterday but I was so fucked off I thought it best not to post lol

Yes - It removes the authority from the European Court.
 
smudgedj said:
I saw it yesterday but I was so fucked off I thought it best not to post lol

Yes - It removes the authority from the European Court.
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Mëtal Bikër said:
Good, now we can focus on having the relationship with Europe we always intended to have; one of trade.
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Younger generation are more globalised nowadays and feel more of a connection to Europe than just trade - even if we do officially leave on 31/10 it will only be a matter of time before we rejoin wanting the same terms we had when we left.
Whole shambles has been a massive waste of time and money and the repercussions will be felt for a long time, all for what ?
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I understand your fear, but that's a little over dramatic imho - there are plenty of examples of failing states / civil wars etc from around the world, and I don't think the current or even possible post-brexit state of the UK bears any comparison. Some equally vivid imaginations on the remain side feel with equal conviction that remaining in the EU is just as problematic in but different ways.
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The Remain side just want to see the very worst case - you have to wonder how any Country is able to be outside this wonderful club

Of far more importance to me is the sources and casualness of the leaks and how they are treated as some form of 'legitimate reporting'. We should all be appalled.

The COBR meeting room underneath Whitehall is used for the meetings to discuss/plan Op Yellowhammer. That is a reflection of the importance of this planning.

The description of the COBR meeting rooms is:

"The Cabinet Office Briefing Rooms (COBR) are a group of meeting rooms in the Cabinet Office at 70 Whitehall in London, often used for different committees which co-ordinate the actions of bodies within the Government of the United Kingdom in response to instances of national or regional crisis, or during events abroad with major implications …"

There should be urgent and detailed investigations to determine the source of these leaks and the individuals responsible should be summarily dismissed and if appropriate prosecuted.
 
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Mëtal Bikër said:
That means business will be booming for you though.
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The opposite actually.

Whenever there’s a slow in the economy or a recession recruitment is hit first, as everyone just stops hiring.

There’s a good chance some of my more junior colleagues will be made redundant and none of them will deserve it.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Younger generation are more globalised nowadays and feel more of a connection to Europe than just trade - even if we do officially leave on 31/10 it will only be a matter of time before we rejoin wanting the same terms we had when we left.
Whole shambles has been a massive waste of time and money and the repercussions will be felt for a long time, all for what ?
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Not sure which "younger generation" you've been speaking to as that's not been my experience working with them.

Most have no connection to being "anything", not in that sense, not British, not European, nothing. "National" or political identities like "European" don't appeal to them, because as you said, they are more globalist. They don't care about being seen as "European" anymore than they would as any other region on the planet. Your FBPE crowd might, but they are few and far between and don't represent the majority. Seriously, the "younger generation" don't give a shit as much as the +25 year old Millennials do.

If the world is truly becoming global, why all the focus on being "European"? Your argument makes no sense.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Not sure which "younger generation" you've been speaking to as that's not been my experience working with them.

Most have no connection to being "anything", not in that sense, not British, not European, nothing. "National" or political identities like "European" don't appeal to them, because as you said, they are more globalist. They don't care about being seen as "European" anymore than they would as any other region on the planet. Your FBPE crowd might, but they are few and far between and don't represent the majority. Seriously, the "younger generation" don't give a shit as much as the +25 year old Millennials do.

If the world is truly becoming global, why all the focus on being "European"? Your argument makes no sense.
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over 70% of 18-24 year-olds voted Remain.

To say you don’t think they care because a few handful of youngsters you work with don’t seem to mention shows a lot of ignorance.

The world is truly becoming global, you only have to see how intertwined we are with technology, work, climate change and social media - being part of a European block is a far bigger stand than being an island - it is 2019 - we are not a empire anymore and isolating ourselves and even the mere possibility of the Union breaking is such a backward step that it’s beyond ridiculous.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Not sure which "younger generation" you've been speaking to as that's not been my experience working with them.

Most have no connection to being "anything", not in that sense, not British, not European, nothing. "National" or political identities like "European" don't appeal to them, because as you said, they are more globalist. They don't care about being seen as "European" anymore than they would as any other region on the planet. Your FBPE crowd might, but they are few and far between and don't represent the majority. Seriously, the "younger generation" don't give a shit as much as the +25 year old Millennials do.

If the world is truly becoming global, why all the focus on being "European"? Your argument makes no sense.
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Agree they are either snapchat or instagram.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
over 70% of 18-24 year-olds voted Remain.

To say you don’t think they care because a few handful of youngsters you work with don’t seem to mention shows a lot of ignorance.

The world is truly becoming global, you only have to see how intertwined we are with technology, work, climate change and social media - being part of a European block is a far bigger stand than being an island - it is 2019 - we are not a empire anymore and isolating ourselves and even the mere possibility of the Union breaking is such a backward step that it’s beyond ridiculous.
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Who are now 25+
The Younger generation is Gen Z, and they don't have any connection to anything such as wanting to be seen as European; quite a number of them are weebs, for example. But again I ask you, if the world is becoming global (which I don't doubt) why all the focus on being seen as European? Aren't you ignoring those who see themselves as Asian or African but live in Europe? What is "European" anyway?

I don't care about "the Empire", I was born long, long after it ended. I don't even regard myself as "British" as it's nothing more than a document signed in 1707. Others might, and fair fucks to them, but it's not for me. I don't see myself as "European", despite us being politically connected to the EU in 1992. Does become quite irritating when people like yourself see every single leave voter as the "Dad's Army watching, Rule Britannia off-key singing, 50+ year old angry gammon type". When you have the preconceived notion about the person you're debating with, it kind of makes it hard to be seen as taken seriously. You're debating with the wrong person and using the wrong methods.
 
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