Convenience and desperation is my guessTbh that's something I got my head around a long time ago. Globalisation is not going away just because we are leaving the EU, and I'm not sure why you are seeking to conflate these two separate issues.
59 Euro cents/65 US cents.
You keep saying this - in so many different waysWhat should be becoming clear to any Leaver is the whoppers that they bought.
As part of the EU trading with the EU and now in a deal with Japan we had unfettered access to nearly one third of the worlds GDP. Now we don't We won't either because the EU 27 cannot give us any breaks, any deal that betters the one they have between themselves. Thats their treaty so as a result despite what was claimed in the referendum we will not have the same or better trading arrangements with the EU. The EU-Japan deal is written in a way that neither can offer anything better than they have agreed with any third party country - so we aren't doing a deal thats better than the EU's with Japan - nor any time soon despite what Johnson says.
The sooner Leave stops wrapping themselves in the Union flag and claiming anyone not toe-ing their line is not being patriotic and instead understood the difficulties facing us the better - it may well be some of them get a little bitter when they realise things are not going to be what they thought but sometimes the truth hurts.
Myopia is strong in this one (and several others)I think you are assuming that Leavers made their choice based upon the things that are important to you? I'm not sure this is the case.
You mean before the 2008 financial crash, 9/11 and inflation?
Great post - and all that needs to be read on the subjectNot sure what you mean by scare stories, but I can tell you I worked with EU ppl for three years on the banking directives. In 8 countries, i worked with bankers, central bankers, regulators, specialist press, management consultants, EU Civil servants etc etc. There was almost unanimity amongst the movers and shakers that the future was a federal European state, with an army, diplomatic corps, foreign policy, a single currency, fiscal union, etc etc.
Some examples: Lisbon treaty made Euro obligatory (except UK and Denmark as per Maastrict).
After the financial crisis, southern countries were in a mess. EU solution was a version of austerity that made our own look like a tea party. Greece, Spain 35% unemployment, 50% youth unemployment etc.
And Why? To save the Euro and the German banks whose lending had fuelled the spending spree and were now hopelessly exposed. Why save German banks? Because the ECB took the view that German bank failure would endanger the project, so throw Greece particularly under a bus. Read Varoufakis on the subject.
I spoke to hundreds of ppl on the project and a Euro super state was the clear agenda. Whether ppl find that scary, is up to them.
Edit PS. With the anti americanism of the French (not to mention anti British feeling) and the willingness of the Germans to bulldoze anybody who got in their way, plus indifference to suffering in the developing world caused by the customs union, they scared the shit out of me.
Fuck any temporary consequences of leaving a trading bloc
I hurt you bad, didn't I. ;)6 posters missed your piffle, that is all.
Umlaut craves attention so no need to cuddle him, the others just revel in the bantz...
Esad
You mean before the 2008 financial crash, 9/11 and inflation?
Yeah it would be, wouldn't it. (Note: commemorate EEC. Had it stayed that way, we wouldn't be where we are now.