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You’re supposed to give the positive spin
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You’re supposed to give the positive spin
Rejoin the EU and wait longer for a vaccine?
Covid vaccinations in EU unlikely to start before next year https://on.ft.com/33x4CVY
Hey - unlike some on here (not aimed at you) - I read a wide range of views and take them as inputs - not just inputs that fuel my pre-dispositionYou’re supposed to give the positive spin
But I form my own views and do not just lamely regurgitate;-)
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Where we were in 2016. Easiest trade deal in history, free trade zone from Iceland to Russia, we will get a better than than as a member, we won’t leave until a new deal is in place.
Where we are in 2020 from the BBC...
‘Barnier was ‘in good spirits’ when reported back to EU ambassadors this morning on state of play in negotiations ongoing in London BUT that he has ‘reached the edges of his mandate’ and has little more room for manoeuvre in talks with U.K. “Only millimetres left”
Of course you’d expect the EU side to say this. But there is a deeply-held belief here that U.K. must now move considerably on 3 STILL OUTSTANDING issues: fish, competition rules, governance- in order for there to be a deal this year
EU countries jumpy about concessions being made to U.K. “This is the painful part” said one EU ambassador BUT I don’t detect mistrust in Barnier and team in my conversations.NB Barnier didn’t ask EU countries for more flexibility in negotiating mandate this morning.
“If he had done, our answer would be clear” EU diplomat told me (ie No). Eu countries impatient with European Commission refusing to publish more details on no deal contingency plans eg on transport, air traffic and aviation security. Commission resisting as don’t want to give U.K. government the impression it can get ‘mini deals’ for free - without signing up to agreed compromises and overall treaty. After months of circular negotiations on key issues, EU attention is now re-focused on Brexit.
“Deal can be done this month .. or next, or next year” said one EU source. But of course it wouldnt be comfortable in the meantime for either side (customs queues, no police and judicial cooperation agreement etc ) and ‘bad blood’ could delay/influence EU decisions outside these trade talks eg on financial services and data exchange regulations, pet travel and access to medical care in the EU for U.K. citizens.’
Where we are in 2020 from the BBC...
‘Barnier was ‘in good spirits’ when reported back to EU ambassadors this morning on state of play in negotiations ongoing in London BUT that he has ‘reached the edges of his mandate’ and has little more room for manoeuvre in talks with U.K. “Only millimetres left”
Of course you’d expect the EU side to say this. But there is a deeply-held belief here that U.K. must now move considerably on 3 STILL OUTSTANDING issues: fish, competition rules, governance- in order for there to be a deal this year
EU countries jumpy about concessions being made to U.K. “This is the painful part” said one EU ambassador BUT I don’t detect mistrust in Barnier and team in my conversations.NB Barnier didn’t ask EU countries for more flexibility in negotiating mandate this morning.
“If he had done, our answer would be clear” EU diplomat told me (ie No). Eu countries impatient with European Commission refusing to publish more details on no deal contingency plans eg on transport, air traffic and aviation security. Commission resisting as don’t want to give U.K. government the impression it can get ‘mini deals’ for free - without signing up to agreed compromises and overall treaty. After months of circular negotiations on key issues, EU attention is now re-focused on Brexit.
“Deal can be done this month .. or next, or next year” said one EU source. But of course it wouldnt be comfortable in the meantime for either side (customs queues, no police and judicial cooperation agreement etc ) and ‘bad blood’ could delay/influence EU decisions outside these trade talks eg on financial services and data exchange regulations, pet travel and access to medical care in the EU for U.K. citizens.’
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2021-2070. Even mcfc1632 reckoned 50 years to see the benefit.
Yeah, but that‘s only after we have rejoined the EU...
Yeah, but that‘s only after we have rejoined the EU...
Any thoughts on the FT article? I seem to remember you have a sub.
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NI Select Committee. Rumours circulating that new customs border between NI and GB will be ‘phased in‘ over a 6 month period, bit like the GB/EU border will be ‘phased in’ on the GB side because we are no where near ready. Whether EU countries like France ‘phase in‘ their side of the border remains to be seen, depends how much ‘goodwill’ remains if there is no deal. Spoiler: Not much.
HMRC says that it expects 11m customs declarations on trade of goods from Great Britain to Northern Ireland.
MP response: “bloody hell. That's a heck of a lot"
HMRC says that it expects 11m customs declarations on trade of goods from Great Britain to Northern Ireland.
MP response: “bloody hell. That's a heck of a lot"
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Any thoughts on the FT article? I seem to remember you have a sub.
Which one?
Which one?
The only one I’ve posted; about 8 posts up.
Fixed. ;-)Hey - unlike some on here (not aimed at you) - I read a wide range of views and take them as inputs - not just inputs that fuel my pre-disposition
But I form my own views which I just lamely regurgitate;-)
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