Another new Brexit thread

[blueinsa]

I’m trying really hard here to not ruin the forum’s improved good will.

They’re either lying or it’s pure and utter delusion.

Proof that MFN means that a hard border has to be put in place?

You keep saying it so probably best to back it up?

This backs up what we are saying to you.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ire...eu-or-uk-to-erect-hard-irish-border-1.3710136

“There is nothing in WTO rules that forces anyone to put up border posts,” said WTO spokesman Keith Rockwell on a visit to Dublin last week.

 

[blueinsa]

Correct Jesus Christ you would think when I bought my Sony tv I had to travel to Japan , show my passport and collect at the border.

Did you tip the guy with the flashlight and clipboard?

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

None so blind ....obvious that brexit at any cost means ripping up the GFA, which is beginning to lookl like their aim How thatcherite is that? And boris the clown just the one to do it.....

No the main issue of the gfa was power sharing in Northern Ireland. It was fuck all to do with customs duties. The issue was Northern Ireland being controlled by England. power sharing has failed in stormont for some time

The idea that brexit is going to cause a return to the troubles is a convenient and lazy grab by remainers.


The main issue is getting stormont back up and running but that is in the hands of the Irish.

 

[Ban-jani]

Dublin is unilaterally telling us that the border between Northern Ireland and the republic of Ireland has moved to the sea?

Really ? Can I just tell my neighbour that I now have his garden and the border has moved to the road?

Dublin has said that if we leave with no Deal then yes, the checks will be done via a sea border, similarly to France.

Is that now clear?

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Did you tip the guy with the flashlight and clipboard?

No I could not climb over the massive wall that some unicorns erected.

 

[blueinsa]

Dublin has said that if we leave with no Deal then yes, the checks will be done via a sea border, similarly to France.

Is that now clear?

Dublins unicorn.

Effectively annexing the north.

Nope......never going to happen but fair play to them in trying it on.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Yes, like Calais does.

Do I really have to explain how our border with France works again?

It means NI is separate to the UK and will cause many more problems not previously thought about.

You mean the same Calais border that presents pretty much no problems whatsoever at present, and none that cannot be resolved post brexit? Excellent.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Dublin has said that if we leave with no Deal then yes, the checks will be done via a sea border, similarly to France.

Is that now clear?

So you are saying Dublin are saying people north and south of the border will not be able to cross as they always have but will all need to learn to sail?

Who the hell is going to stop them going back and forth. Nobody is building or manning a border. I am not saying that , the govts have .

 

[Ban-jani]

Proof that MFN means that a hard border has to be put in place?

You keep saying it so probably best to back it up?

This backs up what we are saying to you.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ire...eu-or-uk-to-erect-hard-irish-border-1.3710136

“There is nothing in WTO rules that forces anyone to put up border posts,” said WTO spokesman Keith Rockwell on a visit to Dublin last week.

How many times has this been discussed, how many times have I (and many others) posted this to you?

WTO don’t enforce borders but Most Favoured Nation means we legally have to allow all nations trading with us on WTO the same border.

That means open border to the EU and Ireland, open border to he entire developing world.

It’s been said time and time again but you keep ignoring it.

 

[Ban-jani]

You mean the same Calais border that presents pretty much no problems whatsoever at present, and none that cannot be resolved post brexit? Excellent.

I’m trying to be patient here...

There’s no problems now because we are in the Single Market and Customs Union.

If we leave with No Deal, there will be problems and vehicles will need to be checked, as they are at everywhere else in the world.

This is basics,
It’s truly a simple part of it to understand.

Seriously, what do you think will happen in Calais if we don’t leave with the Withdrawal Agreement or Remain in the Customs Union?

 

[blueinsa]

How many times has this been discussed, how many times have I (and many others) posted this to you?

WTO don’t enforce borders but Most Favoured Nation means we legally have to allow all nations trading with us on WTO the same border.

That means open border to the EU and Ireland, open border to he entire developing world.

It’s been said time and time again but you keep ignoring it.

You are assuming that tariffs and customs wont be enforced?

Why do you continue to do that other than it backs your argument up?

Checks will be to a minimum and at source/ports either side of the border.

Dublin, Brussels and London are now working towards that.

 

[Ban-jani]

So you are saying Dublin are saying people north and south of the border will not be able to cross as they always have but will all need to learn to sail?

Who the hell is going to stop them going back and forth. Nobody is building or manning a border. I am not saying that , the govts have .

I’m sorry mate but you’re struggling to understand basic points here.

In the event of No Deal, Dublin has said to uphold the GFA we need to do the checks via a sea border, as happens Dover/Calais.

That’s not bloody boats checking stuff in the sea. The amount of people who have completely and utterly failed to grasp this is shocking.

That means the Irish border stays open but NI is separated from the rest of the UK.

 

[blueinsa]

I’m trying to be patient here...

With respect you are trying to be right but we have shown you that you are not.

Your whole argument relies on us saying that no checks will be done and that all movement of goods across the border will be free of tariffs and customs checks.

That isn't what it going to happen.

 

[BobKowalski]

It will effectively be at the ports and at source.

Dublin would just love to effectively annex the north by moving it to the sea but something tells me that it isn't going to happen.

The customs border has to go somewhere and Dublin would be wary of interpretations like ‘annexing the North’ which is all a bit GoT. Dublin will look to protect the all Ireland economy and customs checks between ports in the U.K. and the whole of Ireland can be done with minimum of fuss given the existing infrastructure and that some things are checked there already.

Unionists will be against it but the border is going to piss somebody off so just chose which side to piss off and go from there.

Alternatively UK just stays in the Single Market and Customs Union.

Fundamentally it’s about choice. Whatever the U.K. decides one group is going to be pissed. Unionists, Nationalists or Leavers. Pick one.

 

[Ban-jani]

You are assuming that tariffs and customs wont be enforced?

Why do you continue to do that other than it backs your argument up?

Checks will be to a minimum and at source/ports either side of the border.

Dublin, Brussels and London are now working towards that.

Of course they need to be enforced, that’s the bloody problem.

Of course all three parties are trying but there’s huge problems they’re struggling to get around to keep everyone happy and uphold the GFA.

The latest technology idea, has been rubbished by other Tory MP’s, because it doesn’t allow for stuff such as health and safety checks.

Dublin recently said NI will need to separate from Britain, how do you think that will go down with the DUP and 55% of the country?

This is a mess and wishful thinking won’t solve it.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

I’m sorry mate but you’re struggling to understand basic points here.

In the event of No Deal, Dublin has said to uphold the GFA we need to do the checks via a sea border, as happens Dover/Calais.

That’s not bloody boats checking stuff in the sea. The amount of people who have completely and utterly failed to grasp this is shocking.

That means the Irish border stays open but NI is separated from the rest of the UK.

They can say what they like it won’t happen. People will go back and forth across the border as they always have. Nobody is building a border. Everyone in Ireland are not going to travel to the north or south via the sea in order to get checked at the port? Get real.

 

[blueinsa]

Of course they need to be enforced, that’s the bloody problem.

Of course all three parties are trying but there’s huge problems they’re struggling to get around to keep everyone happy and uphold the GFA.

The latest technology idea, has been rubbished by other Tory MP’s, because it doesn’t allow for stuff such as health and safety checks.

Dublin recently said NI will need to separate from Britain, how do you think that will go down with the DUP and 55% of the country?

This is a mess and wishful thinking won’t solve it.

Dublin said no such thing.

 

[Ban-jani]

They can say what they like it won’t happen. People will go back and forth across the border as they always have. Nobody is building a border. Everyone in Ireland are not going to travel to the north or south via the sea in order to get checked at the port? Get real.

What are you talking about here?

Seriously what does that even mean?

Do you honestly think I was suggesting people have to travel to the north/south of Ireland via a boat off the coast?

That is hilarious.

I’m talking about the customs checks between Ireland and the UK. Rather than the border to the UK being in-between Ireland and NI, it will be between Northern Ireland and Britain, via the sea, as Britain and France does now.

Is that now clear?

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

What are you talking about here?

Seriously what does that even mean?

Do you honestly think I was suggesting people have to travel to the north/south of Ireland via a boat off the coast?

That is hilarious.

I’m talking about the customs checks between Ireland and the UK. Rather than the border to the UK being in-between Ireland and NI, it will be between Northern Ireland and Britain, via the sea, as Britain and France does now.

Is that now clear?

So what’s your point. How do we deal with trade between north and south ?

By the way you can’t say by a border because there isn’t going to be one,

 

[blueinsa]

What are you talking about here?

Seriously what does that even mean?

Do you honestly think I was suggesting people have to travel to the north/south of Ireland via a boat off the coast?

That is hilarious.

I’m talking about the customs checks between Ireland and the UK. Rather than the border to the UK being in-between Ireland and NI, it will be between Northern Ireland and Britain, via the sea, as Britain and France does now.

Is that now clear?

Its clear but still wrong.

Checks on goods will be done at source and the ports and customs and tariffs applied.

The GFA will not break down because of it either although i cant say the same if those involved with power sharing dont get their acts together although over 2 years of direct rule and them not being able to do that hasn't meant a return to the troubles.# so maybe, just maybe the vast majority have moved on and left all that behind.