Apparently Corbyn is planning to stay neutral during a 2nd referendum campaign. Is that a realistic position for a PM to take?
What would happen if he negotiates a new deal and no senior politician is prepared to lead a referendum campaign in its favour?
Who was it that seriously suggested that on here?Or Mike Ashley.
Cue JamesYou didn’t have anything but you didn’t know you didn’t have anything!
There is no real difficulty with BoJo's position that he won't sign an extension letter, he just resigns. Less certain but his successor could then surrender our sovereignty to the EU alongside a legal challenge that effectively takes us through the halloween no deal default exit.
I'll spare his blushes, and the undercurrent of what he was saying was correct, i.e. the politicians who have been negotiating on our behalf have been appalling, but I could name a load of people in business better suited than Ashley to conduct the Brexit negotiations. Horses for courses. Not saying he isn't good within his own world, but he'd be horribly unsuited to sorting this deal out. People think it's a normal negotiation, with the same rules that apply in a commercial transaction, but it's so much more nuanced than that. How could it be anything else?Who was it that seriously suggested that on here?
That was funny.
If it makes no sense - and that may well be the case - I'd still be grateful if you could improve my understanding by explaining why.This makes no sense but thanks for popping in.
I'll spare his blushes, and the undercurrent of what he was saying was correct, i.e. the politicians who have been negotiating on our behalf have been appalling, but I could name a load of people in business better suited than Ashley to conduct the Brexit negotiations. Horses for courses. Not saying he isn't good within his own world, but he'd be horribly unsuited to sorting this deal out. People think it's a normal negotiation, with the same rules that apply in a commercial transaction, but it's so much more nuanced than that. How could it be anything else?
Snuggling down for a future in Verhofstadt's Empire as personally showcased to Ms Swinson this weekIf only we had the likes of Mike Ashley negotiating we'd be in the midst of the sunny uplands right now, having both:
(i) taken back control and;
(ii) got on with it.
He would probably challenge junker to a drinking competition. Winner takes allI'll spare his blushes, and the undercurrent of what he was saying was correct, i.e. the politicians who have been negotiating on our behalf have been appalling, but I could name a load of people in business better suited than Ashley to conduct the Brexit negotiations. Horses for courses. Not saying he isn't good within his own world, but he'd be horribly unsuited to sorting this deal out. People think it's a normal negotiation, with the same rules that apply in a commercial transaction, but it's so much more nuanced than that. How could it be anything else?
If it makes no sense - and that may well be the case - I'd still be grateful if you could improve my understanding by explaining why.
I'll spare his blushes, and the undercurrent of what he was saying was correct, i.e. the politicians who have been negotiating on our behalf have been appalling, but I could name a load of people in business better suited than Ashley to conduct the Brexit negotiations. Horses for courses. Not saying he isn't good within his own world, but he'd be horribly unsuited to sorting this deal out. People think it's a normal negotiation, with the same rules that apply in a commercial transaction, but it's so much more nuanced than that. How could it be anything else?
In a business negotiation there is generally something in it for both parties or they have nothing to bargain with. What people fail to relaise is we have practically nothing to bargain with. Yes the EU want to retain as much of the economic trade as possible but that is massively outweighed by the fact that we want to rip up teh rule book and have everything our own way. Never going to happen. In a soft brexit where we accept the rules there is a deal to be done but if we continue to suggest we can pick and choose what elements of membership will apply to us its a non starter and who is making the bidding is irrelevant.
I don't think Bojo can both obey the law and be presented at the GE as a martyr so it follows he'll have to resign, permitting the extension request by others - unlikely to be the Tories as a party but possibly Grieve as part of a temporary coalition. Meanwhile the rebel legislation may be challenged in the British courts as improperly enacted and some sort of injunction sought allowing the October 31 deadline to be passed without its terms taking effect. It's that last mechanism which seems particularly problematic but another way is possible if the Supreme Court rules prorogation lawful BoJo could do it again to enable the same outcome.You say BoJo will likely resign. I get that and agree his other options are not good. But I have no idea what you are suggesting beyond that. I would assume that BoJo would have to nominate a willing successor otherwise he is technically the PM and has to comply or face the courts.
I don't think Bojo can both obey the law and be presented at the GE as a martyr so it follows he'll have to resign, permitting the extension request by others - unlikely to be the Tories as a party but possibly Grieve as part of a temporary coalition. Meanwhile the rebel legislation may be challenged in the British courts as improperly enacted and some sort of injunction sought allowing the October 31 deadline to be passed without its terms taking effect. It's that last mechanism which seems paricularly problematic but another way is possible if the Supreme Court rules prorogation lawful BoJo could do it again to enable the same outcome.
Glad to see Boris is fully up to speed with the detail of what is required to replace the backstop. From a meeting with Barnier and Juncker:
According to an account of the meeting, the prime minister was told by his EU counterparts in no uncertain terms that the UK’s plan to replace the backstop by allowing Northern Ireland to stick to common EU rules on food and livestock (known as SPS) was not enough to prevent customs checks on the vast majority of goods that cross the Irish border.
At that point, a befuddled Mr Johnson turned to David Frost, his chief negotiator, and Stephen Barclay, Brexit secretary, and said: “So you’re telling me the SPS plan doesn’t solve the customs problem?”
https://www.ft.com/content/7453c686-d9b7-11e9-8f9b-77216ebe1f17
Reality strikes in the easiest negotiation in history.
You'd probably get on very well with Mr Verhofstadt. Anyway the EDS have just kicked off in the Ukraine - far more important (BT Sport)Following again the methods of Hitler.
I am neutral on it. I don’t have a view. It’s safer
I don't understand why people don't get this.
The EU have two choices: Give in to our demands & destroy themselves, don't give in & carry on, with a bit of short term hardship.
Even if they would love to give us everything we want, they can't, as then all the other countries will leave, on the same deal. So the best deal we can have, is the one May came back with, or, we can choose a Norway style position, as Farage advertised, to win votes in the referendum.