So logic suggests that there should be another vote held to determine if the preference is for the Irish Sea option or the alternativeYawn.
i will give you a statement - that you might contest - N.I. took part in a national referendum in '98 with regard to the future of NI. One of the outcomes being any changes to the constitution/border must be put back to the people of NI. This was ratified by GB and RoI.
The outcome of that referendum was clear...VERY CLEAR, 72%. and the UK parliament committed to implementing and honouring that result. If so doing requires changes to existing treaties then you had better ask us first - simples
It got closer as it was resubmitted each time didn't it?She lost by 230 when first tabling the agreement and there's only about 70 members of the ERG IIRC. So it was blocked by more than just the ERG.
Yes, as more and more ERG members and other hard liners started to reluctantly accept it.It got closer as it was resubmitted each time didn't it?
She lost by 230 when first tabling the agreement and there's only about 70 members of the ERG IIRC. So it was blocked by more than just the ERG.
I would say an internationally brokered and recognized ground breaking peace treaty has primacy over a non binding referendum carried on the back of English votes when it comes to border arrangements.The GFA has to be revised - that should not cause some massive discord unless people want to make it so.
The conditions that were prevailing at the time it was established will no longer exist - therefore it is only logical that the parties discuss how to revise it to reflect the new situation - there was no need for it to be made into some 'explosive topic'
I'd be interested to see the stats on its final submission and how many of the erg accepted/rejected itYes, as more and more ERG members and other hard liners started to accept it.
So logic suggests that there should be another vote held to determine if the preference if for the Irish Sea option or the alternative
Straight-forwards and should be done without delay - you see - there does not need to be all this drama that has been stirred up
I have just partly answered this, but to add..Er no, the UK government agreed that any changes to the constitution of NI had to be approved FIRST, by the people of NI. Thats not to say it wont get approved/agreed and you get your way....but you have to ask first. if you dont mind thatd be lovely. k.thx.bi
Yep - I am consistent, calm and think things through rather than spout
These indeed do appear to be strange attributes on this thread
Hey - I just have to deal with no end of shit and abuse - because a good number of the Remainers on here just throw abuse to make up for their lack of substance - yet I generally remain calm and consideredFuck me, you are so full of shit and up your own arse in this thread.
Having a border through your own internal territories doesn't sound like the most sound of ideasSo logic suggests that there should be another vote held to determine if the preference if for the Irish Sea option or the alternative
Straight-forwards and should be done without delay - you see - there does not need to be all this drama that has been stirred up
Lost by 58 votes. 34 Tories voted against it, including 6 RemainersI'd be interested to see the stats on its final submission and how many of the erg accepted/rejected it
I'd be interested to see the stats on its final submission and how many of the erg accepted/rejected it
Bless - but I can see where this is going.....Double irony alert.
You've not stopped begging me to repeat my opinion on Scottish independence for the last month and made multiple snide comments about me running from the debate. I've pointed you to where I expressed my view but you ignored that because you appear to want to get into some sort of pointless dialogue where you can demonstrate your lack of intellect. You should realise I'm doing you a favour as any dialogue always ends up with you refusing to answer salient points and degenerates into you repeating the same sound bites, engaging in clear projection once the insults start and showing yourself up to being totally out of your depth.
I've already told you I'm not interested in engaging with someone who can only come up with repetitive puerile bullshit posted in the style of a 10 year old girl.
That is the nub of the issue. No-one has come up with anything even remotely plausible that addresses the border without requiring the backstop and maintains the United Kingdom as a single entity with one set of rules, other than a customs union with the EU. The chances that this government led by the buffoon-in-chief is going to come up with something realistic in the next few days that a majority can work with whilst keeping his backers on board is infinitesimal.
Lost by 58 votes. 34 Tories voted against it, including 6 Remainers
Cheers fellasOverall, Tory rebels were 115, then 75, then 34. About 28 of the 34 were ERG.
I believe that I have just answered this in a post to Alex - let me know if notThe outcome was even clearer down here. Over 90%. and we did change two articles in our written constitution as a result. One being our claim to the six counties.
I know we go around in circles with this @mcfc1632, but I do respect your decision to leave the EU but have maintained that if that was what you wanted to do, then this was never going to be the way to do it. You put the cart before the horse and the outcome was always going to be along these lines, because the two are incompatible.
The NI part of the UK question would always have to be solved before you leave, but even after three years you are still trying to do it the other way around.
Why? Because to renegotiate the GFA alone, would take you another decade considering the assembly isn't even running now.
Apart from the DUP, there is no will to renegotiate the GFA. Not in Ireland as a whole. Not internationally and shamefully, there shouldn't be the will from a British government as a knee-jerk reaction to a mess they've made.
Those who voted against the deal (3rd vote):Overall, Tory rebels were 115, then 75, then 34. About 28 of the 34 were ERG.
Those who voted against the deal (3rd vote):
Adam Afriyie (Conservative), Windsor - No
Steve Baker (Conservative), Wycombe - No
John Baron (Conservative), Basildon and Billericay - No
Guto Bebb (Conservative), Aberconwy - No
Peter Bone (Conservative), Wellingborough - No
Suella Braverman (Conservative), Fareham - No
Andrew Bridgen (Conservative), North West Leicestershire - No
William Cash (Conservative), Stone - No
Christopher Chope (Conservative), Christchurch - No
James Duddridge (Conservative), Rochford and Southend East - No
Mark Francois (Conservative), Rayleigh and Wickford - No
Marcus Fysh (Conservative), Yeovil - No
Justine Greening (Conservative), Putney - No
Dominic Grieve (Conservative), Beaconsfield - No
Sam Gyimah (Conservative), East Surrey - No
Philip Hollobone (Conservative), Kettering - No
Adam Holloway (Conservative), Gravesham - No
Ranil Jayawardena (Conservative), North East Hampshire - No
Bernard Jenkin (Conservative), Harwich and North Essex - No
Andrea Jenkyns (Conservative), Morley and Outwood - No
Joseph Johnson (Conservative), Orpington - No
David Jones (Conservative), Clwyd West - No
Phillip Lee (Conservative), Bracknell - No
Julian Lewis (Conservative), New Forest East - No
Julia Lopez (Conservative), Hornchurch and Upminster - No
Craig Mackinlay (Conservative), South Thanet - No
Anne Marie Morris (Conservative), Newton Abbot - No
Priti Patel (Conservative), Witham - No
Owen Paterson (Conservative), North Shropshire - No
John Redwood (Conservative), Wokingham - No
Laurence Robertson (Conservative), Tewkesbury - No
Andrew Rosindell (Conservative), Romford - No
Lee Rowley (Conservative), North East Derbyshire - No
Theresa Villiers (Conservative), Chipping Barnet - No
Not sure who is or isn't ERG there.
Bless - but I can see where this is going.....
Your routine is to make a series of posts to provoke arguments - you make numerous snide posts to others to try and goad a response and then you run away and play the victim - I bet you practice versions of '...not me sir - it was him sir....' in the mirror
A good number of people on here can see straight-through your routine