Away from the brexit debate, how do things like this actually happen. It says they are 100 staff short because of lack of EU migrants.
Are there not 100 local unemployed people?
Why haven't they done it?
I know it's a seasonal job so not ideal but if I were local to there and unemployed, I'd be banging the door down to take over the migrant's jobs.
Even as someone who voted Leave, I can’t see how Ireland would want that to happen. Because so much of their trade is with the UK, No Deal will hurt them arguably more than any other country in the EU. I can’t say I’m up to speed with exactly what’s been said today but I’m guessing any reservations about these fresh proposals are to do with compromising the GFA.
Sorry .... Have I misunderstood the argument of the Brexiteers ? ...... I thought that all the Eu migrants were scroungers / benefit takers / sending it all back home
How can they simultaneously be too lazy to work and stealing all our jobs at the same time ?
They don't have to do anything, we either leave with no deal or come up with an alternative acceptable to the EU that we can get passed in our parliament. I’d expect they are waiting for us to have an election and see what we can come up with next year.Ireland and the eu know that no parlimenr will vote for a deal that includes the backstop in it. Therefore they either have to compromise on that or it’s no deal
Look I know that you are obsessed with me and proper frustrated that I do not bother to respond to your goading.
That is because a lot of us on here know that all you want to do is cause personal arguments
I am happy to ignore the vast majority of your petty/snide posts and just occasionally point out that it is what you continually do - just in case someone does spot the extent to which you try and destroy these threads
OK - I will ignore the next couple of dozen or so
Or Robbins took negotiations away when he realised the DExEU shared the Brexit fantasies of their boss.But - as an eye-witness - he was able to confirm what some of us have said on here for a very long time...…………...
That Robbins took the negotiations away from the DExEU very early on and totally undermined that department and the SoSs
An inconvenient truth for some on here that have been in denial of simple facts for years because it does not fit their need for narrative.
I'm not sure duplicity is the word either. The conduct of the UK government and parliament over Brexit is virtually indefensible but how do you describe a situation where one sovereign state uses a trading group as its proxy in negotiations to ensure the provisions of a vital peace treaty with another sovereign state are met? The EU's proper interest is confined solely to the integrity of its single market and that, together with any issues concerning RoI's economic advantage, is of a different and subordinate order to those of security and identity. For your country to abdicate its international obligations and pass them over to an undemocratic cartel for use as a bargaining chip in a future trade deal is totally unacceptable and the cynical exploitation of these political tensions by the EU for its own commercial benefit is equally inexcusable.George, I am indeed a reasonable sort. Thanks for that, I think.
I hadn’t seen that article before, it’s a good read, but I think it is pretty much in agreement with what I have written in here.
It clearly shows that Ireland pointed out the difficulties that would arise from Brexit long before the vote was taken. We did our homework. A 130 page dossier. We presented it in advance within the member states and did not do anything duplicitous towards Britain.
We started bilateral talks in good faith with your government to seek an understanding first and a solution and if anything the EU thought this may be duplicitous and stopped those talks.
I don’t have a problem with that either as the EU is the correct body to be heading negotiations.
I genuinely don’t find anything hidden in the Irish stance. It clearly is a defense of the GFA and it was always going to be an existential argument which really did need pointing out to your government if they truly have an interest in sorting out the Irish border question once and for all.
You see, to me, that is what the GFA has done. It was painstakingly put together precisely to that end.
Brexit in my mind is incompatible with this and that is why there is no UK solution.
There is an English Nationalist solution which doesn’t care about the consequences of destroying the GFA and your current negotiations are being driven by an English Nationalist agenda.
As I be said previously English Nationalism to me, is not the terrible concept that is conjured up by some, but call this what it is. Be honest about it.
If that is the agenda, then the only satisfactory outcome I can see is the breakup of the Union.
I think a United Ireland referendum now under those circumstances would be absolutely toxic as seen already from Arlene Foster’s rhetoric. The DUP would employ the same tactics of identifying an enemy they can rally against and you would see a campaign along familiar sectarian lines.
George. This is an almighty mess that started and was compounded by ineptitude in your parliament. I’m not saying that they are stupid. There are very clever people scheming in all parties. But if none of you trust them, why on earth do you think we should, with our futures.
Ok, we are all throwing words like duplicity around, but how else would you describe all of your parliament at the moment.
I'm not sure duplicity is the word either. The conduct of the UK government and parliament over Brexit is virtually indefensible but how do you describe a situation where one sovereign state uses a trading group as its proxy in negotiations to ensure the provisions of a vital peace treaty with another sovereign state are met? The EU's proper interest is confined solely to the integrity of its single market and that, together with any issues concerning RoI's economic advantage, is of a different and subordinate order to those of security and identity. For your country to abdicate its international obligations and pass them over to an undemocratic cartel for use as a bargaining chip in a future trade deal is totally unacceptable and the cynical exploitation of these political tensions by the EU for its own commercial benefit is equally inexcusable.
The crucial difference is that the EU is not a country it just aspires to be one.This is how the EU and US extend their reach. You want access to the either of the richest trade areas on the planet then you abide by their terms and their rules. Animal welfare, environment, human rights, social clauses are built in to Trade Agreements to ensure the country seeking access does things that do not violate EU standards or laws. Additionally the EU does not want to be seen to be promoting or condoning violations through trade deals that benefit the offending country.
The GFA is especially close to home given it involves a member state so yes the EU will impose conditions re the border. The US Congress has also said if the GFA is breached then a trade deal is off. Trade deals are not just about trade. They are an extension of power and the EU is very effective at using that power. As a member we are part of that power. As a third country we are on the receiving end of that power.
Yep - The planning assumption had been for years that the Remainer majority at Westminster would get Brexit overturned - all of a sudden this is not so certain for themIreland and the eu know that no parlimenr will vote for a deal that includes the backstop in it. Therefore they either have to compromise on that or it’s no deal
Political will to use a viable walk away option? Or am I getting my words mixed up?Yep - The planning assumption had been for years that the Remainer majority at Westminster would get Brexit overturned - all of a sudden this is not so certain for them
So the point that you make comes to the fore - the EU and Ireland have previously been free to make their strong stances because they knew that there would just be another extension - and then another until Brexit was binned
You know my thoughts about not seeing movement from the EU unless and until...….
This has always been true and is just more evident now
I commend your attempts to take back controlshe would ... I have posted some of her stuff before about how they will push for a reunification referendum once this shit storm is over. I've also completed today my application today to become a citizen of the Eu ... don't know how I'll get on with that
The crucial difference is that the EU is not a country it just aspires to be one.
Singapore on Thames? Seriously though, it doesn't work that way. The EU is a failing cartel and will probably collapse very soon without our 14% to balance the books. The UK's departure is an existential threat, which is why it's not going to happen. (IMO)It’s irrelevant. It’s a bloc representing 27 countries and enhances the power of these countries. This is one of the reasons why these countries are in the EU. As a bloc they carry weight. As individual countries they are too small. They project their power through the EU to get the best terms, ensure their standards are met and also to project what they perceive as ‘a force for good’ in terms of human rights, environment etc. We will be subject, are subject, to that power going forward. Arguably one of the reasons we have failed so far in negotiations is not recognising this power or recognising the reality of the world we live in. Johnson is a case in point. First it’s no talks unless the backstop is removed. Then it’s ok we will talk but the backstop has to go. Well ok we will come up with the legal solutions to replace the backstop. Look we came up with something can we now go into urgent talks starting this weekend? Well what about next week? What’s that...having your hair done? Ok Thursday at 3pm. For thirty minutes. You see the direction of travel?
So you agree with what I have been saying for many months
Glad that's sorted
Well he’s always utterly correct even when one totally correct comment contradicts his other totally correct comment. In fact I’d go as far to say that he’s proper correct. Definitely stable genius material.I'm beginning to look on you as a very stable genius.
Singapore on Thames? Seriously though, it doesn't work that way. The EU is a failing cartel and will probably collapse very soon without our 14% to balance the books. The UK's departure is an existential threat, which is why it's not going to happen. (IMO)
Singapore on Thames? Seriously though, it doesn't work that way. The EU is a failing cartel and will probably collapse very soon without our 14% to balance the books. The UK's departure is an existential threat, which is why it's not going to happen. (IMO)