Another new Brexit thread

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bluethrunthru said:
ahh - you didn't say that - you have added the caveat of the option in the wake of defeat.

Well ( sigh ) as I have said numerous times ( I know I have told you 4 or 5 times alone ) we should have launched A50 the day after and left as quickly as possible. It was always the case that with such a tight result the longer things dragged on the more tribal it would become - and it has. My preference is still Remain however.
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A50 wasn't a leave option, it was merely an announcement to the EU to intend to leave immediately on no deal.

What was your leave option? You've never, ever stated one.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
And other remainers?

there wasn't one, not one they could agree on. As I said, it's funny, what remainers criticise leave voters for not having a "concensus" on what leave means, neither did remainers.
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What data are you looking at here?

What question have remainers been asked to determine what we now want

How do you know what remainers want?

I’d think a majority would take a soft Brexit at this point. Most of us are pretty fucking worried about no deal right now. But there’s no data on this to tell us what remainers en masse would want as an option.

It’s not on us anyway, the people that voted to remain, to decide now, the government have taken the power away from us and are running with what will keep their party together.

I feel like this is some last ditch attempt to absolve yourself of any guilt from what’s about to come from the 1st of November.

You “won” the referendum remember? We were told to shut up and let Brexit happen.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
A50 wasn't a leave option, it was merely an announcement to the EU to intend to leave immediately on no deal.

What was your leave option? You've never, ever stated one.
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Re-read paragraph 2 - it has been presented to you by me around 6 times now. Can't be clearer than that.
 
bellbuzzer said:
Taken 3 years to get the message? too busy playing the victim card? Rawk syndrome neets Walter Mitty......
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It’s a pretty unbelievable take.

“We’re in this position because the remain voters didn’t all organise themselves around one form of the thing they voted against”.

Just read that back a few times.

The blame game is running out of places to point, when it needs to be pointing at a mirror.
 
Ban-jani said:
What data are you looking at here?

What question have remainers been asked to determine what we now want

How do you know what remainers want?

I’d think a majority would take a soft Brexit at this point. Most of us are pretty fucking worried about no deal right now. But there’s no data on this to tell us what remainers en masse would want as an option.

It’s not on us anyway, the people that voted to remain, to decide now, the government have taken the power away from us and are running with what will keep their party together.

I feel like this is some last ditch attempt to absolve yourself of any guilt from what’s about to come from the 1st of November.

You “won” the referendum remember? We were told to shut up and let Brexit happen.
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It doesn't matter which leave option remainers voters prefer,or what leavers prefer.

We get what we are given,it certainly won't be a centre left utopia Brexit with the likes of Boris and the boys calling the shots.

Consequences of putting trust in the inept or the untrustworthy.
 
Gaudion M said:
Maybe leavers should have thought of this before promising the easiest deal in the history of deals, with only upside and ruling out no deal before we all voted!

Leavers need to accept this is a mess and was always going to be a mess given the massive scale of over promising pre-referendum. And now massive under-delivering post referendum we are where we are. This is nothing to do with remainers - this is everything to do with promising the completely un-deliverable.
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I promised nowt
 
BobKowalski said:
We may not be talking but we still ain’t doing any serious prep for it either. When we start doing serious prep and not just moving money around and pretending it’s ‘new’ then I’ll take notice. Right now I’m still not buying it.
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The EU aren't opening the door - Johnsons exits are being closed on him - No Deal? Can he get it through? Can he prorogue Parliament? Can he survive a confidence vote? Seems to me for a confident guy all his options are pretty negative.
 
BobKowalski said:
We may not be talking but we still ain’t doing any serious prep for it either. When we start doing serious prep and not just moving money around and pretending it’s ‘new’ then I’ll take notice. Right now I’m still not buying it.
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You should.

Johnsons strategy would appear to be to force no deal then call a GE which, using all methods of propaganda at his disposal, he will fight on the basis that it's all the fault of the EU.

He will, of course, be depicted as the only man who can stand up for the country further playing the nationalist xenophobic card.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
A50 wasn't a leave option, it was merely an announcement to the EU to intend to leave immediately on no deal.

What was your leave option? You've never, ever stated one.
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Where are you going with this argument MB.
It really does look like you are asking the asking the Remain side to come up with a workable Brexit strategy.

There is no consensus anywhere, why would you look in the minority who told you they weren’t part of a consensus in the first place, for the answer.

I just don’t get that.
 
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