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The way to resolve that is surely not to throw away the bit that's doing well but to have a government that puts in place an environment that encourages the growth of the other areas of the economy.

That requires massive investment and time - entities would rather have offices and do business with other entities that are in the same albeit gridlocked city that has a half decent public transport system than scattered around the country - just look at how the weather - too cold, too hot or too wet, fucks rail travel. Gridlocked motorways and arguments over just one new runway that drag on and on..............
 
I don't know this, but I seem to recall reading that we have quite a lot of EU investment in this country comparatively? I'm not sure, is probably the best answer.

However the overall point that you can't grow an economy without investing in it and that's going to require moving into more national debt is pretty much sound. This is why these international institutions exist to lend money out and get over the "not enough money to invest, too small to stand still" problem
If only the Government leading us into this brave new world also believed in doing the things you describe. Sadly they do not and see national debt reduction as the number one priority.
 
That requires massive investment and time - entities would rather have offices and do business with other entities that are in the same albeit gridlocked city that has a half decent public transport system than scattered around the country - just look at how the weather - too cold, too hot or too wet, fucks rail travel. Gridlocked motorways and arguments over just one new runway that drag on and on..............
It would be good if when we get a government whose priorities are to do this, there will still be funding sources available either from the treasury or from financial institutions that also pay tax to the UK treasury rather than into the coffers of a competitor nation.
 
When you break down GDP by industry sector, the "Business and Finance" sector in London which is admittedly bigger than just the Financial Services industry, contributes more to GDP than the next 4 cities combined (their total GDP, not broken into sector). Our economy is unbelievably slanted geographically in comparison to other comparable countries.

Should the taxpayer underwrite losses on taxpayer funded projects managed by the Government they elected in order to stimulate the economy and financial wealth of the taxpayers?

Yes? I mean we could ask the Germans to do it but they might be a bit hesitant.

On your first point well that is true but it is just the nature of how sectors group together. For example, NY is a major financial centre but there is nothing else remotely close in the US. California is a major tech centre which has an economy larger than the UK as a whole... It's just the way it goes and it isn't a bad thing.

Diversification is not a good thing, it's good for local populations but it means companies are isolated from the benefits the others in that grouping might have, for example access to labour. If you don't have these benefits then you are dead and can't compete.

On your second point I thought you was referring to Corbyn's 'investment bank' which apparently will be used to invest in businesses, not just infrastructure.

On infrastructure, for those of the left persuasion, a third runway at Heathrow would be a total no brainer investment that would yield billions more than any other infrastructure project.. Let's see the arguments for it....
 
If only there was a system for this. Perhaps some sort of person or maybe a collection of them who could give us money that we would invest into infrastructure that would stimulate the economy, leading to greater tax revenues but much more importantly greater consumer spending and we could use some of the proceeds of that growth to give them their initial bit of funding back?

Man what a world that would be.
on Brexit, we lose access to the European Investment Bank which provided £31bn of funding for U.K. infrastructure projects between 2012 to 2016. There must be a case for setting up something in the U.K. to try and fill that hole.
 
I don't know this, but I seem to recall reading that we have quite a lot of EU investment in this country comparatively? I'm not sure, is probably the best answer.

However the overall point that you can't grow an economy without investing in it and that's going to require moving into more national debt is pretty much sound. This is why these international institutions exist to lend money out and get over the "not enough money to invest, too small to stand still" problem
You might find this interesting. I did.
https://www.ice.org.uk/getattachmen...e-investment/ICE-SoN-Investment-2018.pdf.aspx
 
If only the Government leading us into this brave new world also believed in doing the things you describe. Sadly they do not and see national debt reduction as the number one priority.
Obviously not at the moment.

Johnson is shovelling so much fertiliser on the money tree that it's flourishing, and their number one priority is a Brexit that will most definitely increase debt.
 
The way to resolve that is surely not to throw away the bit that's doing well but to have a government that puts in place an environment that encourages the growth of the other areas of the economy.

Isn't this connected to the priviliges held by the "city of London"? Priviliges which in truth arguably should be cancelled?
 
Isn't this connected to the priviliges held by the "city of London"? Priviliges which in truth arguably should be cancelled?

I think the City's status as a financial centre is separate to what WD is getting at here, which is a reference to the comparative ignoring of other regions in favour of the South East when it comes to investment.

Obviously capital cities tend to be focal points of a country, but the disparity between London and everywhere else is quite stark (having moved down here from Manchester about 10 years ago). Don't have the balance of the Germans for example who seem to spread different elements of their economy around and have a few major cities with successful local economies. For a separate thread I think tho.
 
I think the City's status as a financial centre is separate to what WD is getting at here, which is a reference to the comparative ignoring of other regions in favour of the South East when it comes to investment.

Yeah, but the city of London is a sepperate political entity with very broad autonomy that opperates as a sort of tax haven within Britain afaik. Isn't it therefore reasonable that 1) practicly all financial firms will establish themselves there and 2) that the city will often prove the most interresting area for investment given higher ROI due to tax advantages?
 
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In answer to your earlier question - No.
Companies in the City operate under the same tax regime as companies elsewhere.

I think youre wrong. From a financial times interview:

https://www.ft.com/content/41dba03e-5d29-11e5-9846-de406ccb37f2

Furthermore, the City’s close connection with trade and business, and its general championing of free enterprise, has over the ages allowed it to accumulate great riches and power. So much so, that over time its citizenship even began to employ an effective system of civic militias, which meant the Crown could never subordinate the City of London to its rule, especially with respect to taxes.


So, what indicates to you that the tax regime is the same?
 
Brexit going well latest

- Downing Street believes rebel MPs will try to make a move to stop a no-deal Brexit in the second week of September, with the EU unlikely to respond until after that battle has played out.

- Brits preparing for a no-deal Brexit have spent £4 billion on food, medicine and other essentials, according to new research. One in five have spent around £380 each, fearing the worst for when Britain leaves the European Union on October 31.

- “If it comes to a hard Brexit, this is in no one’s interest, but the British would be the big losers. They pretend it’s not like that, but it will be,” Mr Juncker told an Austrian newspaper this weekend.

He laughed off suggestions from London that Brussels would not be sufficiently prepared for a no-deal Brexit and would suffer more than Britain
 
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