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BobKowalski said:
Yeah we went through all that on the 29th March. And we are still in the EU.

The WA that took two years to broker isn’t going to get changed in the next two and a bit months and this minority Govt has no legitimate mandate to exit with no deal and the solution is to bypass the 2017 elected Parliament? I guess sovereignty was just another lie in the Brexit lexicon.
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Sovereignty was perhaps the biggest lie of the lot. Well, “better off on all levels” might beat it actually.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
I couldn't agree more about the dysfunctional fuck up, that's down to May, and her acolytes.
However you word it though, the deal isn't acceptable, they won't re open it, we won't either, (all sides rejected it)
so there is, if they won't talk, no alternative. What is there to discuss, if they don't want to talk?
For what it's worth, I think there will be movement before 31Oct, and that an agreement will be arrived at, others
may disagree, and fair enough, but I'll stick to that belief. Other than that, it's out without one.
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Although the current Prime Minister did vote for it, from memory?
 
Ban-jani said:
The thing is many leavers were told that we’d hold all the cards and would get the “easiest deal in history”.
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I genuinely cannot believe that anyone with more than four brain cells actually believed that bollocks, and anyone who did, I'm perfectly content to label as "thick" although quite possibly not "racist".
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I genuinely cannot believe that anyone with more than four brain cells actually believed that bollocks, and anyone who did, I'm perfectly content to label as "thick" although quite possibly not "racist".
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I think a far greater number than we’d have expected at the time, did.

So many lap up what the likes of Farage said and they talked about global trade deals and a boom to the economy.

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again... I always used to wonder how people in Nazi Germany bought what was being told to them but now I know. Not that I’m saying Brexit is akin to that as an ideology, just the way people bought such obvious lies and delusions.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I genuinely cannot believe that anyone with more than four brain cells actually believed that bollocks, and anyone who did, I'm perfectly content to label as "thick" although quite possibly not "racist".
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Either way, we clearly 'don't hold all the cards' now. So why has there not been a push back against those that spouted this rubbish? Why are people still so keen to go through with something which clearly wasn't bought as sold?

Unless of course that statement made no difference to anyone. Just like immigration didn't. Just like the bus didn't etc. When you hear about all things that didn't make a blind bit of difference to anyone, it makes you wonder why people spend millions/billions on referendum and election campaigns in the first place.....
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
If the country returned a Conservative Government with a mandate why did they have to spend £1 billion of taxpayers money bribing the DUP? Just asking for a friend
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The only party that officially announced itself as a "remain" party in 2017 was the Liberal Democrats, so anyone who wanted to see a remain mandate would and should, have voted for them. How many seats did they gain in 2017? Just asking for a friend.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Why should the EU change stance?
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Because they insist they also want a deal to be done.

The WA was a conclusion of May's ridiculous 'red lines'. Our Parliament has rejected May's WA and May herself has stepped down from power. New deal discussions should be opened, or we leave without one. Everyone wants to avoid this and personally I see no reason why the EU is being so obtuse as to not even start simple talks when they publicly announce they want to see a deal reached.
 
hilts said:
There was a heavy dose of sarcasm in there although your post doesn’t help with the type of hyperbole and self pity that has standard remainer written all over it. Bereavement ffs.

Anyhow most leavers have an acceptance that it is very unlikely we will leave. We won’t have lost anything but gained quite a bit.
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Speak for yourself mate. You underestimate the depth of feeling. I’m saying no more, but my post was true, sad or unbelievable though that will be to many.
 
Ban-jani said:
The thing is many leavers were told that we’d hold all the cards and would get the “easiest deal in history”. Now this has turned out to be a great lie, they’re lashing out that what they were so sure of is turning out to be shit. They’re not big enough to admit it was the fault of Leave.EU, Johnson, Cummings, Gove, Fox, Raab, Farage etc. So they blame those that they opposed in 2016, remain voters and the EU, the least culpable people in all of this.

The EU have merely negotiated professionally from their position of strength. We’ve flapped from out position of weakness and those that said it would prove to cause a constitutional crisis are right.
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Those who said it would cause a constitutional crisis were right.
Those who said it would hit the economy were right.
Those who said it threatened the United Kingdom were right.
Those who said it would damage the whole Irish peace process were right.
Those who said it would enbolden the Far Right were right.
Those who said that the EU could not offer us a better deal than members were right
Those who said we were far too integrated with the EU to just up sticks were right
Those who said the Leave proponents were liars were right.

And we still haven't fucking left yet.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Because they insist they also want a deal to be done.

The WA was a conclusion of May's ridiculous 'red lines'. Our Parliament has rejected May's WA and May herself has stepped down from power. New deal discussions should be opened, or we leave without one. Everyone wants to avoid this and personally I see no reason why the EU is being so obtuse as to not even start simple talks.
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Have the red lines changed then? There's been no mention of that, only a unilateral demand that the backstop be dropped. The EU have already said that if the red lines were changed a new deal could be found.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
A gif would be hilarious here, but the snowflakes get all upset by them.
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Best I could do.

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gordondaviesmoustache said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you appear to be accepting that the responsibility for no deal will rest with us, if it happens, which is the point I was advancing.

This could have been so different if the mechanism to leave had been built into the referendum, as it would have left none of the wriggle room, against which Leavers, quite understandably, rail.

The whole mechanism and process was flawed from the outset. That is why we find ourselves in this place and why the country will, most likely, and quite unnecessarily, now be torn apart on this issue for a generation.

A no-deal Brexit (just like failing to leave) will create a deep scar that will take at least a generation to heal. Some people are oblivious to that, but to me, that is far more important than whether we stay or remain.

Playing fast and loose with national unity is irresponsible and reckless.
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Correct

We are in a right mess.

The problem is even if the eu came back and removed the backstop and gave us a more favourable deal , with a majority of 1 there is absolutely no chance labour the snp, Lib Dem’s are going to support it. They just are not. Labour will do anything to shit on the Tories as will the snp.

There are those who just want to remain and will do anything to get that position. There are those who just want to leave want that at at any cost

Those who want to leave with a deal ( you know the soft brexit the sensible compromise to a divided nation) are pissing in the wind. We could present the most sensible deal to the commons to end this situation and it will get voted down.

We are going to get to October and all be scratching our heads as to what the hell we do now and it will be extended and so it will go on.....
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
The only party that officially announced itself as a "remain" party in 2017 was the Liberal Democrats, so anyone who wanted to see a remain mandate would and should, have voted for them. How many seats did they gain in 2017? Just asking for a friend.
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By the same logic different parties offered different visions of brexit - none of them sought a mandate for no deal and none of them got a majority. Labour who did far better than expected were proposing a soft brexit and Tories who lost support were proposing a harder deal. What do we make of it other than there is no support for any specific type of brexit. The fundamental flaw that goes back to day 1.
 
aguero93:20 said:
Have the red lines changed then? There's been no mention of that, only a unilateral demand that the backstop be dropped. The EU have already said that if the red lines were changed a new deal could be found.
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Ask Johnson.
 
Gaudion M said:
By the same logic different parties offered different visions of brexit - none of them sought a mandate for no deal and none of them got a majority. Labour who did far better than expected were proposing a soft brexit and Tories who lost support were proposing a harder deal. What do we make of it other than there is no support for any specific type of brexit. The fundamental flaw that goes back to day 1.
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By the same logic, the party that supported a no deal exit also gained more seats in Parliament than any other party, didn't it.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
The only party that officially announced itself as a "remain" party in 2017 was the Liberal Democrats, so anyone who wanted to see a remain mandate would and should, have voted for them. How many seats did they gain in 2017? Just asking for a friend.
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youve got a friend ??
 
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