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We are in a right mess.

The problem is even if the eu came back and removed the backstop and gave us a more favourable deal , with a majority of 1 there is absolutely no chance labour the snp, Lib Dem’s are going to support it. They just are not. Labour will do anything to shit on the Tories as will the snp.

There are those who just want to remain and will do anything to get that position. There are those who just want to leave want that at at any cost

Those who want to leave with a deal ( you know the soft brexit the sensible compromise to a divided nation) are pissing in the wind. We could present the most sensible deal to the commons to end this situation and it will get voted down.

We are going to get to October and all be scratching our heads as to what the hell we do now and it will be extended and so it will go on.....
I don't even see that. We'll just end up remaining in by a "vote" of Parliament that the public neither authorised nor endorsed. Similar to how we ended up in the thing, tbh.
 
Because they insist they also want a deal to be done.

The WA was a conclusion of May's ridiculous 'red lines'. Our Parliament has rejected May's WA and May herself has stepped down from power. New deal discussions should be opened, or we leave without one. Everyone wants to avoid this and personally I see no reason why the EU is being so obtuse as to not even start simple talks when they publicly announce they want to see a deal reached.
But May's ability to impose her red lines at all were a consequence of the chronically flawed and inadequate mechanism to leave.
 
But May's ability to impose her red lines at all were a consequence of the chronically flawed and inadequate mechanism to leave.
Which everyone has now rejected including rejecting the person themselves who came up with it.

EU wants a deal, we want a deal, May's deal has gone, May herself has gone. Time for new deal discussions focussing on trade, the main issue that matters.
 
By the same logic, the party that supported a no deal exit also gained more seats in Parliament than any other party, didn't it.

No party supported a no deal and the one that came closest to that position lost its majority. Having more seats than anyone means nothing. They have lost vote after vote in the HoC with there own MPs voting against them at historic levels. The Tories have been shedding seats ever since the referendum and are on the verge of a split. They are in a downward spiral, these next few months will be the death spasm of the party. But if you want to suggest there performance in the 2017 GE is some mandate for brexit then crack on.
 
But May's ability to impose her red lines at all were a consequence of the chronically flawed and inadequate mechanism to leave.

Mays red lines were all about mays own incompetence . Nothing else .

The last two Tory pms have caused this mess

Cameron for calling the referendum
May for failing to implement the result.

I can see this fact.....

Meanwhile the Labour Party , hello, are you there ....there is a wide open goal , here it is, take it . Oh shit missed.
 
Which everyone has now rejected including rejecting the person themselves who came up with it.

EU wants a deal, we want a deal, May's deal has gone, May herself has gone. Time for new deal discussions focussing on trade, the main issue that matters.

Maybe we should ask for a 3 year extension to get the negotiations done properly???
 
He's the one demanding unilateral changes while failing to offer a viable alternative, he and his cabinet are the ones that have created the issues from day 1 with undeliverable promises and unworkable demands.
Unworkable here having the meaning of the EU unwiling to be flexible.

Canada and Japan managed it, EU even offered such similar deals to May, but she herself rejected them on the basis she wanted to end FoM, something few actually care about ending in the grand scheme of things. Continue trade with Europe, but allow the UK to trade with other nations and build partnerships outside of it, unrestricted by EU rules. All I want.
 
Which everyone has now rejected including rejecting the person themselves who came up with it.

EU wants a deal, we want a deal, May's deal has gone, May herself has gone. Time for new deal discussions focussing on trade, the main issue that matters.
Which would require a lengthy extension and a show of willingness from Johnson and his cabinet to move away from May's red lines and compromise on their own demands. They've ruled out the first and shown zero inclination to do any of the rest.
 
Unworkable here having the meaning of the EU unwiling to be flexible.

Canada and Japan managed it, EU even offered such similar deals to May, but she herself rejected them on the basis she wanted to end FoM, something few actually care about ending in the grand scheme of things. Continue trade with Europe, but allow the UK to trade with other nations and build partnerships outside of it, unrestricted by EU rules. All I want.
The EU have to operate within the context of international trade law, the UK are still pretending that they're exempt from it.

They've been offered Canada's deal and Japan's deal, along with EFTA terms, they've turned down all 3 demanding more and offering nothing in return.
 
Which would require a lengthy extension and a show of willingness from Johnson and his cabinet to move away from May's red lines and compromise on their own demands. They've ruled out the first and shown zero inclination to do any of the rest.
And what willingness have the EU shown to respect the laws and rules of the UK union, say the GFA?

This is a trade negotiation between two unions, not one union and a country. How about the EU adopts the GFA as well?
 
And what willingness have the EU shown to respect the laws and rules of the UK union, say the GFA?

This is a trade negotiation between two unions, not one union and a country. How about the EU adopts the GFA as well?
The EU are a signatory of the GFA already and have offered NI special status which is a huge concession. The DUP said no and the Tories turned it down
 
Correct

We are in a right mess.

The problem is even if the eu came back and removed the backstop and gave us a more favourable deal , with a majority of 1 there is absolutely no chance labour the snp, Lib Dem’s are going to support it. They just are not. Labour will do anything to shit on the Tories as will the snp.

There are those who just want to remain and will do anything to get that position. There are those who just want to leave want that at at any cost

Those who want to leave with a deal ( you know the soft brexit the sensible compromise to a divided nation) are pissing in the wind. We could present the most sensible deal to the commons to end this situation and it will get voted down.

We are going to get to October and all be scratching our heads as to what the hell we do now and it will be extended and so it will go on.....
An ultra soft Brexit (and discernibly softer than May's deal) is the only way to avoid the scenario of national disunity that we both fear. The problem, as you point out, is that too few people on each side are prepared to compromise.
 
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The EU are a signatory of the GFA already and have offered NI special status which is a huge concession. The DUP said no and the Tories turned it down
Then why offer NI a "special status" if it accepts the terms of the GFA? Why be deliberately antagonistic?
 
Which everyone has now rejected including rejecting the person themselves who came up with it.

EU wants a deal, we want a deal, May's deal has gone, May herself has gone. Time for new deal discussions focussing on trade, the main issue that matters.
I suspect the EU will view it differently from you. May's deal was also owned and crafted by them.
 
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