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Not falling for it. Discuss the EU union and the UK union and how the GFA is not being fully respected by the EU, otherwise it would not be an issue.

Wait...what???


Because that would also tie the rest of the UK into a customs union. The UK isn't 4 countries, it's one country and NI. Scotland is not an independant country, is it, so stop referring to it as such. Scotland voted as part of Great Britain. It's about as relevant as pointing out London was mostly for remain. It disrespects the other regions that voted to leave overwhelmingly.

Kinda sums up Englanders..."one country and NI" (yes i know the UK is GB and NI, but i thought this was about us all together?). And NI is not an independent country either, so stop referring/inferring to it as such.
 
And that's why they should be working cross party instead of voting in a far right cabinet that can't even command the support of their own parliamentary party.

The votes have been cross party in effect and the deal has been rejected every single time.

Its dead so either the EU sits back down or its no deal.

They will sit back down.
 
No deal isn't nonsense, it's the default position come October 31st 2019.

The red lines are already "removed" when May stepped down, the EU wants to know what Johnsons red lines are, if any, but nobody knows for certain yet, but people tend to speculate.

As Kevin Horlocks Wand has already pointed out, no deal made between BoJo and the EU will ever pass the HoC anyway because Parlaiment is filled with remainer MP's who want to stop brexit and Labour and the SNP will never back a deal that makes BoJo look good by "delivering" brexit. The whole of Parliament is to blame for this mess, their pointless squabbles, petty arguments, biased agendas and political rivalries.

They've ALL forgotten that reaching a successful conclusion to brexit is and should be their main concern, but their political alliegience and stance of brexit refuses to allow them to achieve this.
No mate. It is not up to the SNP to reach a successful conclusion of Brexit. Their mandate is unequivocally Remain. If you don’t believe any deal will get through HoC then why advocate a Canada deal? For me, if we are going to Brexit then a Canada arrangement, competently executed, with a long transition to address Ireland would be the least bad way forward.
 
And that's why they should be working cross party instead of voting in a far right cabinet that can't even command the support of their own parliamentary party.
"Far right cabinet"? Jesus, and they say there's no emotive language driving modern politics...

Parliament already has the final say. And they'll say "no" to anything that is proposed. So it's a no deal exit on the cards, but wait, Parliament has rejected that scenario as well, apart from the EU, who have told the UK Parliament "that's what's going to happen, unless..."
 
The votes have been cross party in effect and the deal has been rejected every single time.

Its dead so either the EU sits back down or its no deal.

They will sit back down.
The votes have been cross party and haven't even gained the support of the governing party as there's been no attempt to take into account the views of parliament and the nation. Just the Tory party membership
 
"Far right cabinet"? Jesus, and they say there's no emotive language driving modern politics...

Parliament already has the final say. And they'll say "no" to anything that is proposed. So it's a no deal exit on the cards, but wait, Parliament has rejected that scenario as well, apart from the EU, who have told the UK Parliament "that's what's going to happen, unless..."
It's very much a far right cabinet. Have you seen their track records?
 
The 1 Million plus Scots who voted to leave?

I know 2.6m Scots voted in the referendum, and 1.6m of them voted remain and just over 1 million voted leave

Yet if you listen to the snp you would think the entire country voted to remain and they all have eu flags in their gardens. Yet because 1.6m Scots voted remain somehow the English are dragging Scotland out of the eu against the will of its people and forcing a second independence referendum and breaking up the union.
 
I know 2.6m Scots voted in the referendum, and 1.6m of them voted remain and just over 1 million voted leave

Yet if you listen to the snp you would think the entire country voted to remain and they all have eu flags in their gardens. Yet because 1.6m Scots voted remain somehow the English are dragging Scotland out of the eu against the will of its people and forcing a second independence referendum and breaking up the union.

Said it before but i wont take lessons from the SNP on this issue given their own nationalistic stance on independence from a union they dont want to be in politically.
 
No mate. It is not up to the SNP to reach a successful conclusion of Brexit. Their mandate is unequivocally Remain. If you don’t believe any deal will get through HoC then why advocate a Canada deal? For me, if we are going to Brexit then a Canada arrangement, competently executed, with a long transition to address Ireland would be the least bad way forward.
Many SNP voters voted to leave the EU too. For different reasons and goals, obviously, but there are SNP leavers.

Are the SNP ignoring those 1 million Scots wishes? Have they a compromise to present for Scottish leave voters, if they're meant to represent the views of all Scottish voters?
 
The votes have been cross party and haven't even gained the support of the governing party as there's been no attempt to take into account the views of parliament and the nation. Just the Tory party membership
The Brady amendment passed, so there is a majority for something, the WA minus the backstop. So makes perfect sense to remove it and get on and negotiate a deal that will protect British and Irish jobs, meaning the border can stay open and the backstop is not needed.
 
Just caught up with this. It seems to give the impression that the EU has no effect on sovereignty. That is not correct.
1. The EU requires directives to be implemented into national law. Exactly how this is done is left up to each state, but you cannot swerve a directive. Failure to implement adequately can result in liability to damages at the ECJ.
2. EU regulations do not require subsidiarity, but automatically become part of each state's law.
3 The European Arrest Warrant changed several country's laws and seriously .impacted our criminal justice system.
So sovereignty is an issue. Note that this issue went to Germany's highest court, which ruled that German law was superior to EU law!


But we are still free to pass laws that are specific to our country (everyone seems to think that we have no say) ... the laws that the Eu pass (which are for the benefit of harmonisation ) will be debated by our duly elected MEPs and voted on in the European Parliament..... the point is we have a say in all laws that are applicable in our country whether passed by the UK or Eu parliament. We also hold important vetoes to stop Eu legislation impacting on certain areas
 
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Kinda sums up Englanders..."one country and NI" (yes i know the UK is GB and NI, but i thought this was about us all together?). And NI is not an independent country either, so stop referring/inferring to it as such.
It both is and isn't. Isn't the whole point of the GFA to allow the nation of Northern Ireland to be referred to as the UK or part of the UK, so as not to offend NI citizens who see themselves as Irish, not British?

Just trying to be respectful. If that's not the case, then apologies.
 
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