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But we are still free to pass laws that are specific to our country (everyone seems to think that we have no say) ... the laws that the Eu pass (which are for the benefit of harmonisation ) will be debated by our duly elected MEPs and voted on in the European Parliament..... the point is we have a say in all laws that are applicable in our country whether passed by the UK or Eu parliament. We also hold important vetoes to stop Eu legislation impacting on certain areas
Yes, but that is not the same as sovereignty. Suppose we strongly object to a directive but are outvoted and the directive goes thru. We are obliged to enact provisions that are anaethema to us. That is the sovereinty issue.
Looking to the future, as the EU approaches closer and closer union, if we are still in it, this question looms larger and larger. An example that actually happened. Two Australian academics were visiting London when a Spanish judge issued a European Arrest Warrant against them for hate crimes. They were lecturers in Religious Studies and had written a paper critical of Islam. The "crime". took place in Australia. Thay were arrested in London. The judge said it was highly unlikely that they had committed an offence at all but he was obliged to issue an extradition order. Over the following weekend, the academics were spirited out of the country back to Oz. Home office connivence, probably. Now, under our old law, neither the arrest nor deportation could have happened. The fact that our gov was a willing partner in framing the law is irrelevant. The point is, had the academics actually been deported, there would have been a great scandal, but our parliament would have been powerless to change that law. That is parliament would no longer be sovereign, for the first time since the English civil war. Other examples are coming now: see the Italian budget row, or the suspension of Austria or the stand off between Poland and the EU. Closer union multiplies these problems, but little attention is given to them. It seems economics trumps all. To stay alive the EU needs to rethink subsidiarity. See also Federal US gov relationships with individual states.
PS EDIT I might add the view of some academics that closer union impoverishing nation states' powers is partly responsible for the growth of loony populist parties in Europe.
 
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Our/my/your is all the same thing...im British, we have the same government...in NI we (supposedly) have a devolved government, but that doesnt make us independent...we still fall under British rule. We dont get to choose our dependence without British interference...we are meant to be able to decide with British and Irish involvement.

So,
Some wish to stay within the UK but leave the EU
Some wish to stay within the UK but remain in the EU
Some wish to unite with the RoI and remain in the EU (republicans/nationalists)
Some would rather unite with RoI rather than leave the EU (some "soft" unionists)


A nationalist/republican may wish you not to claim NI is British, but it is. I dont really consider myself to be a unionist or nationalist....ultimately i "think" id rather be within the UK and remain in the EU...however, the thought of a united Ireland doesnt bother me at all...but thats a different conversation, and there will never just be a United Ireland....itll be a 2 state solution if it were to ever happen, a devolved government from Dublin, rather than London

Precisely Alex.
And that solution is not something that would be rushed into despite what the purely politically motivated nationalist elements may wish for.
Anything that is going to last up North would require a lot of thought and probably years of negotiating and realistically decades more integration, peace and normalisation, which we thought we were getting until Brexit.
 
I think a far greater number than we’d have expected at the time, did.

So many lap up what the likes of Farage said and they talked about global trade deals and a boom to the economy.

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again... I always used to wonder how people in Nazi Germany bought what was being told to them but now I know. Not that I’m saying Brexit is akin to that as an ideology, just the way people bought such obvious lies and delusions.

Part of Henning Wehn's act is to come on to a martial song and get the (British) audience clapping along. Then he reveals it's a Nazi song "and you all went along with it". Pause. "That's all we did."
 
The only party that officially announced itself as a "remain" party in 2017 was the Liberal Democrats, so anyone who wanted to see a remain mandate would and should, have voted for them. How many seats did they gain in 2017? Just asking for a friend.
I refer you to the reply I gave to this in the previous thread. umpteen times.
 
No thanks. Trying to gif them up ;-)
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By the same logic, the party that supported a no deal exit also gained more seats in Parliament than any other party, didn't it.
Perhaps you fancy the Italian fascist idea: the party that gets most votes, even a minority, automatically gets two-thirds of the seats. Though I don't think Mussolini justified it as necessary for "strong and stable" government.
 
We’d still outrun you lot, what with their middle ageness and gammon faces
FTFY

Only for about 5 minutes, then you'd be asking to leave the field because physical activity was part of patriarchy.
 
Speak for yourself mate. You underestimate the depth of feeling. I’m saying no more, but my post was true, sad or unbelievable though that will be to many.

I actually think you over estimate the feelings of most remainers, I’m pretty confident if it happened it wouldn’t be the same as someone they are close to dying. If it does for you then what can I say? Your resilience isn’t a major priority for me. I would suggest analysing ones priorities in life.
 
Anything up to a couple of hours and we will be fine yes?
A bloke I know works for a firm that imports white goods. They've stockpiled, because they anticipate a five mile queue of ships waiting to enter Felixstowe.
 
Who is advocating for no deal that you are speaking to right now?

Remainers "compromise" to leavers is "we don't leave the EU".

Leavers compromise is "let's do a deal that continues tarriff free trade as much as possible".
That's not the Leaver "compromise" - it's what Leave promised. Without that, yes, we don't Leave.
 
We’d leave that to you :-)

Also, have you mistaken us feminists?
Well we'd ask to leave, and then be told by the referee we're not allowed until we've decided how we're going to, which nobody will agree upon, so we just stand out in the rain for hours getting soaked.

It's hard to tell the difference in these days of identity politics; one seems to blend into the other. Example, I used to think I was a dissatisfied, centrist/libertarian Labour voter, and apparently i'm a "far-right fascist, neo-liberal Blairite!" Go figure :/
 
I see we're back to "we won, you lost, suck it up" that poisioned any chance of Remainers' accepting the result on the basis that indeed when we left it would be (as promised) with a deal that meant we were still in a FTZ from Iceland to the Russian border.

Hammond on the radio this a.m. reminding us that two months ago Gove couldn't support No Deal because the leave campaign made that promise. It wasn't in his article: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/13/no-deal-brexit-would-be-a-betrayal-says-philip-hammond?utm_term=RWRpdG9yaWFsX0d1YXJkaWFuVG9kYXlVS19XZWVrZGF5cy0xOTA4MTQ=&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GuardianTodayUK&CMP=GTUK_email

I actually meant you lot will be unbearable(even more than the last 3 years). The repetitive bleating about something that may happen has been an eye opener so fuck knows what happens if it comes true. As the Pret woman and blabbing girl didn’t help you seek some self restraint god knows what the thread will look like.

As some seem to think as brexit as the equivalent of loved ones dying I suppose condolences would be in order, I imagine even though sarcasm cannot always be spotted as your post shows I have a feeling you would think I was taking the piss.

A playful gif perhaps to lighten the mood?
 
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