Another new Brexit thread

[Rascal]

I get to the point where even cursory responses to the 'usual suspects' is too much time to waste on their drivel

That post you are replying to is a good example of their need for denial - they are long past the point when they express any capability to assess and analyse - so debate is impossible. They just want the thread(s) to be echo chamber for themselves.

Anyway - for those on here not blinded by self-imposed ignorance - from an eye witness:

https://brexitcentral.com/at-dexeu-...we-must-free-ourselves-from-the-eus-shackles/

Reading over emotional garbage laced with mistruths and implying blame lies anywhere but with the Government has just turned me 51/49 in favour of remain. The implication that those civil service workers were not natural brexiteers is a disgrace as it demeans the whole nature of the civil service and he should know better if he is as he claims a civil servant himself.

When the fuck will halfwits like that writer realise his vision of unicorns for breakfast dinner and tea is so far removed from reality it is ridiculous. I am sick of being treated like a halfwit by cunts like him with his notions of a free trade utopia.

You post good stuff mate normally, I suggest you don't post this sort of garbage again as it demeans your argument.

 

[yerwot?]

Away from the brexit debate, how do things like this actually happen. It says they are 100 staff short because of lack of EU migrants.

Are there not 100 local unemployed people?
Why haven't they done it?
I know it's a seasonal job so not ideal but if I were local to there and unemployed, I'd be banging the door down to take over the migrant's jobs.

Wild guess, you have no experience of temporary employment and how it impacts the rest of the year, you read and absorb the shite in the daily mail, (thats 2 guesses but its bogof day on BM)

 

[Zuriblue]

Blue passports?

 

[George Hannah]

A deluded eye-witness:"The freedom to liberalise trade and open our economy up to new markets, serving as an open and competitive counterweight to the politics of Donald Trump and China, and forging for Britain a role as a global beacon of free enterprise and achievement."Potty.

You really need to dial down the abuse and acknowledge the historical facts which are nowhere seriously disputed. Nobody but nobody comes out the Brexit fiasco with any credit.

 

[mcfc1632]

Whilst you fail to realise they are actually speaking to you in English.

This is a typical reply from you, when given any specific points you haven't an answer for.

Nobody is fooled by it, but you obviously think they are.

Once again: Boris Johnson.

Ok - you are not bright enough to even understand something so basic as I posted. So to put an end to your embarrassment.

1. I have repeatedly said that we will not see movement unless and until they are faced with the prospect of a viable walk-away option and the political will to use it. I am absolutely correct in that opinion and I have been entirely consistent.

2. I have indeed expressed disgust and frustration that the Remainers/sycophants at Westminster have acted for in excess of 3 years to undermine the UK's negotiating position and, in particular, ensure that the EU never has to face the prospect of a viable walk-away option and the political will to use it. I am absolutely correct in that opinion and I have been entirely consistent.

3. I have recently commented that - on this thread - there has been a lot of evidence that the negotiating strength of a no-deal prospect has been proven to be true. This is an entirely different point to 1 or 2 above - and obvious if you had the wit to understand it, but you clearly are either too dim to discern that or just too eager to jump in and throw insults. The evidence has been abundant with Remainers (not you) suddenly having a 'road to Damascus' moment and, as the threat of a no-deal started to take on a feeling of momentum, started expressing all sorts of comprises that they were willing to make.

All these suggestions of compromise where previously there have, in the main, only been determination that Brexit should be scrapped. This is the demonstration of what happens when the threat of a no-deal outcome has to be faced up to. So, I am absolutely correct in that opinion and I have been entirely consistent.

You are just too bombastic and limited in comprehension to understand this and - having confused yourself in your need to rush to insult those that you are incapable of debating with - made yourself look pretty childish.

Anyway, I will leave it there - we have been asked not to get tied up in personal arguments and I can see that you are determined to do that. So get on with arguing with yourself - you have at least an even money chance of having some of your points accepted.

 

[George Hannah]

You can always tell him Brexit is God’s will.

Tell who?

 

[yerwot?]

You can always tell him Brexit is God’s will.

That's the next chapter, we havent finished pestilence and war yet ffs

 

[Vic]

Away from the brexit debate, how do things like this actually happen. It says they are 100 staff short because of lack of EU migrants.

Are there not 100 local unemployed people?
Why haven't they done it?
I know it's a seasonal job so not ideal but if I were local to there and unemployed, I'd be banging the door down to take over the migrant's jobs.

Getting up at 5 a.m.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

"Only those who spread treachery, fire, and death out of hatred for the prosperity of others are undeserving of pity." Jose Marti
- so the incoherent and superficial are fully deserving you'll be pleased to know.

Who are we talking about?

 

[mcfc1632]

I was utterly correct 'then' and I am undoubtedly utterly correct 'now' - absolutely consistent.

"CONSISTENT".....Repeating, in the most condescendingly way possible, with the "sneer factor turned to eleven" the same lies and diversions, obfuscations and mis-quotes in the most pretentious self-important ego-lead pompous piffle ever inflicted on this thread. Consistent alright, "utterly correct" ? In the world of trump and johnson maybe, where truth is an abstract concept, degraded and dismissed "consistently" to the point that being caught lying is met with a smirk , and cheers from the captive audience of far-right goons, like ghastly canned laughter in an english sit-com and the inevitable "likes" from the brexit amdram troupe #Victimcentral

You genuinely make me chuckle on the rare occasions that I can be bothered to read what you post

You commenting about other people 'sneering' given the content of your posts - really really top marks for lack of self-awareness

 

[George Hannah]

Reading over emotional garbage laced with mistruths and implying blame lies anywhere but with the Government has just turned me 51/49 in favour of remain. The implication that those civil service workers were not natural brexiteers is a disgrace as it demeans the whole nature of the civil service and he should know better if he is as he claims a civil servant himself.

When the fuck will halfwits like that writer realise his vision of unicorns for breakfast dinner and tea is so far removed from reality it is ridiculous. I am sick of being treated like a halfwit by cunts like him with his notions of a free trade utopia.

You post good stuff mate normally, I suggest you don't post this sort of garbage again as it demeans your argument.

tbf he does mention the blazing inferno that awaits...

 

[Vic]

You really need to dial down the abuse and acknowledge the historical facts which are nowhere seriously disputed. Nobody but nobody comes out the Brexit fiasco with any credit.

Again, I have no idea what "historical facts" you have in mind, but equally if you think that quote doesn't deserve to be mocked I can't help you.

 

[mcfc1632]

Finally some self awareness.

Look I know that you are obsessed with me and proper frustrated that I do not bother to respond to your goading.

That is because a lot of us on here know that all you want to do is cause personal arguments

I am happy to ignore the vast majority of your petty/snide posts and just occasionally point out that it is what you continually do - just in case someone does spot the extent to which you try and destroy these threads

OK - I will ignore the next couple of dozen or so

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

It comes to something when Mary Lou McDonald, the leader of Sinn Fein talks more sense on LBC about Brexit than any other British MP I have heard.

Very measured and true to her beliefs.

If it were not for Sinn Fein's historic position on fealty to the crown, she would make a might fine Prime Minister.

I predict a riot.

 

[George Hannah]

Who are we talking about?

Hopefully not you.

 

[Vic]

Who are we talking about?

He was complaining about my calling him deluded. "Incoherent" and "pitiful superficiality" are comments he's made on my posts.

No idea what the quote is about. It doesn't trip off the tongue, does it?

 

[mcfc1632]

The irony of course being that if Labour do badly in the next election the Blairites will blame Corbyn, when he’s the one trapped into the pro Remain stance that’s going to kill the party in it’s pro Leave heartlands. He’d be much better off telling them to do one and making the case for leaving that he really believes in, although I have to admit I’m pleased Labour isn’t making the pro Leave case, because they’d be a much bigger threat if they did.

That would take consistency and integrity

 

[George Hannah]

Again, I have no idea what "historical facts" you have in mind, but equally if you think that quote doesn't deserve to be mocked I can't help you.

Simply, all those that plainly contradict your view that the failure of Brexit is attributable solely to actions of leavers. My opening remark related to the tone not the content of your post as you well know - I agree Brexit Central is not a source we should link without serious health warnings.

 

[mcfc1632]

But.... This election will be all about Brexit. The public are already geared up for this.

My prediction is that:

• we’ll have and extension.
• There will be a GE before Xmas.
• Conservatives will win, and Brexit party gain seats.
• Together the Tories and Brexit and DUP will have enough seats to win a vote for a no deal brexit.
• The EU will the offer some sort of compromise deal on the Johnson deal.
• This will get approved in parliament
• We’ll leave.
• If the EU don’t offer a compromise, we’ll leave on a no deal and all the pain that will involve.

Hope I’m wrong but this is the way I see it playing out. The opposition, and labour in particular, in a GE are too weak.

The big risk is that anything that the government brings before parliament before a GE will be hijacked for a confirmatory vote to be committed

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Polling expert and political scientist Sir John Curtice explained Boris Johnson's Brexit strategy focusses on swaying voters from the Brexit Party and capitalising on a split Remainer vote. During an interview with Express.co.uk, Sir John explained by taking votes away from the Labour Party, Jo Swinson is handing Boris Johnson a Brexit gift. With the Remain vote split, this could result in the Tory Party winning more seats which would better allow him to pass a Brexit deal through Parliament.

I’d say that is what is happening, along with the need to make the lack of progress in negotiations everyone else’s fault.

All talk of collusion and sycophants is irrelevant whether you believe it or not.
Ineptitude in Parliament is the real issue.

There is nothing duplicitous about the Irish/EU stance in this.

You are the ones leaving and the reason you haven’t is the state of your parliament. You are in this mess and it needs sorting domestically before you come near the EU. The dishonesty in your political classes is not going to suddenly disappear after this is eventually sorted one way or another.

I fear you will find out that most of your inequalities, unhappiness and divisions in society are home grown and nothing to do with Europe.